Draft Grades

[Bill the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Ghengis

USA Today; 2016 1st Round Draft Grades (4/28/2016), New England forfeited their 1st round pick because of Deflategate.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/04/nfl...alysis-results

Bolded; still with original team
Bolded; out of football or currently free agent
Underlined named to at least one All Pro 1st or 2nd Team

1. B+ ---- Jared Goff, QB California — Los Angeles Rams (from Tennessee)
2. C ------ Carson Wentz, QB North Dakota State — Philadelphia Eagles (from Cleveland)
3. C+ ---- Joey Bosa, DE Ohio State — San Diego Chargers
4. B+ ---- Ezekiel Elliott, RB Ohio State — Dallas Cowboys
5. A+ ---- Jalen Ramsey, DB Florida State — Jacksonville Jaguars
6. A- ----- Ronnie Stanley, LT Notre Dame — Baltimore Ravens
7. B+ ---- DeForest Buckner, DE Oregon — San Francisco 49ers
8. D+ ---- Jack Conklin, OT Michigan State — Tennessee Titans (from Cleveland), OT Michigan State
9. B+ ---- Leonard Floyd, OLB Georgia — Chicago Bears (from Tampa Bay)
10. D ---- Eli Apple, CB Ohio State — New York Giants
11. A ----- Vernon Hargreaves III, CB Florida — Tampa Bay Buccaneers
12. A- ---- Sheldon Rankins, DE Louisville — New Orleans Saints
13. A+ --- Laremy Tunsil, LT Ole Miss — Miami Dolphins
14. B+ --- Karl Joseph, SS West Virginia — Oakland Raiders
15. B ----- Corey Coleman, WR Baylor — Cleveland Browns
16. B+ --- Taylor Decker, OT Ohio State — Detroit Lions
17. C+ --- Keanu Neal, SS Florida — Atlanta Falcons
18. A- ---- Ryan Kelly, C Alabama — Indianapolis Colts
19. B+ --- Shaq Lawson, DE Clemson — Buffalo Bills
20. C- ---- Darron Lee, LB Ohio State — New York Jets
21. F ----- Will Fuller, WR Notre Dame — Houston Texans (from Washington)
22. A ----- Josh Doctson, WR TCU — Washington Redskins (from Houston)
23. A ----- Laquon Treadwell, WR Ole Miss — Minnesota Vikings
24. B+ --- Williams Jackson III, CB Houston — Cincinnati Bengals
25. B- ---- Artie Burns, CB Miami — Pittsburgh Steelers
26. C ----- Paxton Lynch, QB Memphis — Denver Broncos (from Seattle)
27. B+ --- Kenny Clark, DT UCLA — Green Bay Packers
28. B ----- Joshua Garnett, OG Stanford — San Francisco 49ers
29. A- ---- Robert Nkemdiche, DT Ole Miss — Arizona Cardinals
30. B ----- Vernon Butler, DT Louisiana Tech — Carolina Panthers
31. B+ --- Germain Ifedi, OT Texas A&M – Seattle Seahawks

I see like 2.5 good draft picks here.

Even Wentz and Goff are major question marks now. Two years ago they were slam dunk great franchise changing picks.

Elliot is an overpaid RB at the a dime a dozen position.

Terrible WR draft.

Ronnie Stanley and Bosa the only A picks along with the QB's being at least worth the pick but still questionable where they go from here. I like Wentz more than Goff at this point.

[odanny]

Player drafted into best position to succeed:

Mel Kiper- Jerry Jeudy, WR, Denver
Adam Schefter - Brandon Aiyuk, WR, San Francisco
Chris Mortenson - Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB, Kansas City
Dan Orlovsky - Justin Herbert, QB, Los Angeles

Most questionable pick:

Mel Kiper - Jordan Love, QB, Green Bay (No WR's taken)
Adam Schefter - Damon Arnette, CB, Las Vegas (taken too early at 19th)
Chris Mortenson - AJ Dillon, RB, Green Bay (2nd rd. pick on a position already strong)
Dan Orlovsky - Jalen Hurts, QB, Philly (taken too early)

[IXCell]

Originally Posted by CHRockwell

I always laugh at these. For anyone to get any grade for the draft is ridiculous.

For example no one said the Patriots destroyed everyone in the draft in the year 2000 but they did and did it with their 199th pick.

We can tell you the grades for the current draft in about 3-5 years.

In 2015 almost every expert said the Dolphins or Jaguars won the draft and we look today and they didn't come close to winning it, but they graded the highest weeks after.

Exactly. Yet, no one does a rating 3-5 years from now. That is where it would really count. How many of these guys will be on your roster 3-5 years from now? Contributors? Will they even be in the league?

Plus, everyone rates everyone different--the exact same player can be a steal in one draft, but a reach in another depending on if the site likes the guy or not. It's pretty dumb, really.

That said, I was all in this year. Hahaha!

[CHRockwell]

Originally Posted by Bill the Butcher

I see like 2.5 good draft picks here.

Even Wentz and Goff are major question marks now. Two years ago they were slam dunk great franchise changing picks.

Elliot is an overpaid RB at the a dime a dozen position.

Terrible WR draft.

Ronnie Stanley and Bosa the only A picks along with the QB's being at least worth the pick but still questionable where they go from here. I like Wentz more than Goff at this point.

I disagree with you an a few.

Have to give Goff an A. Took them to a Super Bowl. If your pick gets you to the Super Bowl he has done his job. Wentz probably a B because he also played at an elite level but is hurt too much. Elliot has been the best Running back since 2016 so have to give them an A there. Bosa is an A also. A difference maker.

I do see a lot of A's and B's with players that have been average to below average

[susancruzs]

Green Bay rated way too high You never disappoint, Ghengis! Can we address this a few years down the road or if we get a season and we see how it goes???

[rjshae]

Comparison of the 2016 draft grades:

Then (SI)/Now (NFL)

Drops of two grades or more are in bold. They'd be considered flops?

1. LA -- Jared Goff: B-/A
2. Philadelphia -- Carson Wentz: B/B+
3. San Diego -- Joey Bosa: B+/A
4. Dallas -- Ezekiel Elliott: A-/A+
5. Jacksonville -- Jalen Ramsey: A+/A+
6. Baltimore -- Ronnie Stanley: B+/A
7. San Francisco -- DeForest Buckner: A-/A
8. Tennessee -- Jack Conklin: B+/B-
9. Chicago -- Leonard Floyd: B/C+
10. NY Giants -- Eli Apple: A/D-
11. Tampa Bay -- Vernon Hargreaves: C/D+
12. New Orleans -- Sheldon Rankins: B/B
13. Miami -- Laremy Tunsil: B+/A
14. Oakland -- Karl Joseph: B+/D+
15. Cleveland -- Corey Coleman: C+/F
16. Detroit -- Taylor Decker: B/C
17. Atlanta -- Keanu Neal: D/B+
18. Indianapolis -- Ryan Kelly: B+/C
19. Buffalo -- Shaq Lawson: A-/D+
20. NY Jets -- Darron Lee: B-/D+
21. Houston -- Will Fuller: B/C+
22. Washington -- Josh Doctson: A-/D+
23. Minnesota -- Laquon Treadwell: B/D-
24. Cincinnati -- William Jackson: A+/B+
25. Pittsburgh -- Artie Burns: B/C-
26. Denver -- Paxton Lynch: B+/F
27. Green Bay -- Kenny Clark: B/A
28. San Francisco -- Joshua Garnett: ?/F
29. Arizona -- Robert Nkemdiche: B/D-
30. Carolina -- Vernon Butler: C/D
31. Seattle -- Germain Ifedi: B-/C+

[IXCell]

Originally Posted by rjshae

Comparison of the 2016 draft grades:

Then (SI)/Now (NFL)

Drops of two grades or more are in bold. They'd be considered flops?

1. LA -- Jared Goff: B-/A
2. Philadelphia -- Carson Wentz: B/B+
3. San Diego -- Joey Bosa: B+/A
4. Dallas -- Ezekiel Elliott: A-/A+
5. Jacksonville -- Jalen Ramsey: A+/A+
6. Baltimore -- Ronnie Stanley: B+/A
7. San Francisco -- DeForest Buckner: A-/A
8. Tennessee -- Jack Conklin: B+/B-
9. Chicago -- Leonard Floyd: B/C+
10. NY Giants -- Eli Apple: A/D-
11. Tampa Bay -- Vernon Hargreaves: C/D+
12. New Orleans -- Sheldon Rankins: B/B
13. Miami -- Laremy Tunsil: B+/A
14. Oakland -- Karl Joseph: B+/D+
15. Cleveland -- Corey Coleman: C+/F
16. Detroit -- Taylor Decker: B/C
17. Atlanta -- Keanu Neal: D/B+
18. Indianapolis -- Ryan Kelly: B+/C
19. Buffalo -- Shaq Lawson: A-/D+
20. NY Jets -- Darron Lee: B-/D+
21. Houston -- Will Fuller: B/C+
22. Washington -- Josh Doctson: A-/D+
23. Minnesota -- Laquon Treadwell: B/D-
24. Cincinnati -- William Jackson: A+/B+
25. Pittsburgh -- Artie Burns: B/C-
26. Denver -- Paxton Lynch: B+/F
27. Green Bay -- Kenny Clark: B/A
28. San Francisco -- Joshua Garnett: ?/F
29. Arizona -- Robert Nkemdiche: B/D-
30. Carolina -- Vernon Butler: C/D
31. Seattle -- Germain Ifedi: B-/C+

That is what I mean...there were quite a few pubs that hated the Giants pick of Apple at the time. Too grabby and will get a lot of flags if he doesnt adjust his game, they said.

Personally, I didnt think he was worth an A by any means.

[Bill the Butcher]

Originally Posted by rjshae

Comparison of the 2016 draft grades:


19. Buffalo -- Shaq Lawson: A-/D+
20. NY Jets -- Darron Lee: B-/D+

Being a Bills fan and in-tune with all AFC East teams this grading is off. Darron Lee didn't finish his contract with the Jets and is currently out of the league. Shaq Lawson finished his contract with the Bills but Bills did not extend fifth year option. Shaq became too expensive for the Bills to keep as he signed a 3 year $30 million dollar year with Miami. Shaq is good player. Not great but good. I would say Lee is a D and Saq more of a C+.

Shaq was probably always one of our best run support defenders on the edge always containing his edge assignment. Would have liked the sack numbers to be higher.