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Old 01-26-2014, 12:59 PM
 
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Well what do you think is worse, prescription medication or drowning your sorrows in alcohol?
Both can lead to destruction especially when the two are mixed. My uncle has been an alcoholic for most of his life. He had a violent and horrible childhood. He dealt with it by drinking, his mom was a drinker as well. A few years ago his wife died of cancer and he was given anxiety/depression meds to help him cope. No one asked about his medical history. So now he mixes the two to cope with life. I think men especially in my uncles generation were told it is not ok to cry or be upset. Some men can only hold it in so long before it starts to eat them up inside. I try really hard to teach my son to tell me how he is feeling and express it with words instead of getting angry. I explain to him that anger is ok but you have to deal with the feelings that come with it. Rationalize it and not bottle it up.
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Old 01-27-2014, 05:40 PM
 
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Never give up or give in...the alternative to living is a worthless thing. Better to be alive and suffer the odd bit of misery than not be here at all. Be grateful for this life you have. You get one run at it and even a saddened life is worth the trip.
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Old 01-27-2014, 08:24 PM
 
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Is it? A life of anguish and despair is worth the trip? Some would beg to differ.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:19 PM
 
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Never give up or give in...the alternative to living is a worthless thing. Better to be alive and suffer the odd bit of misery than not be here at all. Be grateful for this life you have. You get one run at it and even a saddened life is worth the trip.
That's truly a matter of opinion.
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Old 08-15-2014, 12:55 PM
 
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Damn girls why do you demonize men even when discribing mens issues ("oh men commit suicide more because they can't handle life like woman can.") you wouldn't be saying that if the suicide was high among woman, you would be saying something more like ("why are woman killing themselves so much, oh its the men who are causing this such pigs") most woman such hypocrites
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Old 08-15-2014, 04:16 PM
 
Location: The High Desert of the American Southwest
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Interesting that this spiked after 1950. When men realized that women weren't going to have their babies, look pretty in the typing pool and mix their drinks for them, they realized life is not worth living? I know as a man born in the late 20th century, I personally feel cheated.

Nice try as to the reason for the spike in men's suicide in the 60's, but alas, wrong.

The primary reasons are two-fold, with both reasons having to do with the social turbulence and strife that permeated that decade.

1--Vietnam. We lost almost 60,000 in combat during the Vietnam war, but what a lot of people don't know is that probably four times that amount who were egregiously psychologically damaged in that war committed suicide over the course of the following three decades, with the peak coming in the late-60s & the 70s.

2--Drugs. We all know about the hippie movement; the "tune in, turn on, and drop out" pop psychology of Tim Leary. Drug use was prevalent of course with both sexes, but men have always and will always outnumber women when it comes to killing themselves with drugs and/or alcohol. Too, I'm guessing that some of these so-called "suicides" mentioned in the survey chart are including unintentional overdoses for young men. But they still count.

Lastly, too bad the graph stops at the year 2000, just before we entered out ill-conceived 10-year war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Because I'm guessing had the chart continued up until 2012 or so, that we would see a similar spike for males. I am a veteran and work with the VA on occasion and am aware that, just as with Vietnam, an amazing proportion of young men are committing suicide upon returning home from the Middle East.
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Damn girls why do you demonize men even when discribing mens issues ("oh men commit suicide more because they can't handle life like woman can.") you wouldn't be saying that if the suicide was high among woman, you would be saying something more like ("why are woman killing themselves so much, oh its the men who are causing this such pigs") most woman such hypocrites
You may have a point here......sort of.

I'm not going to go through 11 pages, but has anyone pointed out the difference in suicide attempts between Men and Women?

That women attempt suicide more often than men but men usually are successful the first time. That women usually use not so sure methods of suicide (pills, the wrists) but men use more violent, more successful methods (guns, automobiles).

So if one is looking for why the difference in the graph between the sexes, keep that in mind. One should be asking "What's the rate of people trying to kill themselves, successful or not?".
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Old 08-17-2014, 07:07 AM
 
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You may have a point here......sort of.

I'm not going to go through 11 pages, but has anyone pointed out the difference in suicide attempts between Men and Women?

That women attempt suicide more often than men but men usually are successful the first time. That women usually use not so sure methods of suicide (pills, the wrists) but men use more violent, more successful methods (guns, automobiles).

So if one is looking for why the difference in the graph between the sexes, keep that in mind. One should be asking "What's the rate of people trying to kill themselves, successful or not?".
Excellent points!
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Old 08-17-2014, 11:28 AM
 
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Very easy. The spike correspond to the time when the American dream became a market commodity sold to everyone.(around the world)

New technology, (tv) allowed to sell the idea that the American dream was a must for any self respecting male. If you don´t have a big house in suburbia, a big car, a hot trophy wife, a hot trophy mistress, and send your kids to an Ivy League college, then you are a loser and you'll die alone and poor.


Before the 50s/60s people didn´t give a hoot about product brands, houses, cars, etc, because they didn´t see them on tv. The social pressure to keep up with the neibours was softer. All of a sudden millions of people saw on a daily basis rolemodels (actors), the right people doing the right things and consuming the right products.


So males are obviously more vulnerable to this phenomena, for the reasons stated on my previous post.
I think this is precisely the cause for the spike. All the other things mentioned have always been present - wars, overpopulation in cities, etc etc. There's a fantastic book that talks about the American obsession with "oversuccess":

OverSuccess: Healing the American Obsession With Wealth, Fame, Power, and Perfection: Jim Rubens: 9781929774760: Amazon.com: Books

It was also around the early 70s when wages started to stagnate and economic inequality began to rise alarmingly fast. This, coupled with the mass marketed idea of what it means to be a successful man, surely must have contributed significantly to feelings of worthlessness or hopelessness among the many men who committed suicide.
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Old 08-17-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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You may have a point here......sort of.

I'm not going to go through 11 pages, but has anyone pointed out the difference in suicide attempts between Men and Women?

That women attempt suicide more often than men but men usually are successful the first time. That women usually use not so sure methods of suicide (pills, the wrists) but men use more violent, more successful methods (guns, automobiles).

So if one is looking for why the difference in the graph between the sexes, keep that in mind. One should be asking "What's the rate of people trying to kill themselves, successful or not?".
Yes, this was pointed out earlier by another poster, and it's definitely something to keep in mind in this discussion.
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