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It seems that men's preferences for younger women may have been the cause of menopause in the first place.
Regarding the biological clock, I just assumed it was being used colloquially and not at face value. Saying 'men have a ticking biological clock' basically just means men around a certain age start thinking about wanting children.
It seems that men's preferences for younger women may have been the cause of menopause in the first place.
Regarding the biological clock, I just assumed it was being used colloquially and not at face value. Saying 'men have a ticking biological clock' basically just means men around a certain age start thinking about wanting children.
I think it was too until physical biological clock was brought into it. (And I think he edited the post to take out the part about hormones).
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Except men physically don't have a biological clock, unlike women.
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In the true essence of the term "biological clock," men do not have one. Their reproductive organs do not shut down at a specified time, to never work again. This is not a topic that is up for debate.
There's some weird things in this thread along with facts. Anyway, yes some men have a biological clock but do not believe that most men just have to have a child of their own. Some men do and they tend to be the ones who get married or impregnate women younger. The older men who claim they want children are the ones who just use this as an excuse to date younger women (and mostly fail). If a man really wanted a child he wouldn't have waited until 50 or 60 or older in most cases. I know there are exceptions but generally speaking no. Yes older sperm is defective just like older eggs and I am glad this is coming out more. My opinion is if a man is the same age as an average menopausal woman then he's to old to be a biological father as well even if he can produce sperm. People often mention Tony Randall who had kids in his 80's but he died when they were young, so not much of a father, now was he?
well said. Abraham (the father of judiasm, christianity, and islam) had his first child at the age of 86. (for the sake of comparison, Hugh Hefner just turned 87). And if men weren't designed to have healthy children after 50, evolution would have corrected these bad seed conceptions, like enabling miscarriages.
Well - you are kind of mixing two things I said together. I do believe children are a gift at any age - but I don't deny that it gets riskier and more difficult for both women AND men the older you get. Like the studies have shown - it's not that older men cannot produce sperm - it's that the quality degrades and can lead to birth defects or no pregnancy at all.
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In the context of this thread, men do not have a biological clock. Men do not feel the need to reproduce or never do so, because they are not faced with the threat of menopause.
I believe she was speaking figuratively and not literally. The point is that there are many men that really want children - it's not just a woman thing.
Btw regarding Abraham two things need to be said. First, I think they were on a different calendar so the age might be different. Second and most important Sarah was older too. She wasn't a young 20 something.
well said. Abraham (the father of judiasm, christianity, and islam) had his first child at the age of 86. (for the sake of comparison, Hugh Hefner just turned 87). And if men weren't designed to have healthy children after 50, evolution would have corrected these bad seed conceptions, like enabling miscarriages.
Seriously? And Sarah was 90.
Not that long ago the average life expectancy was 50.
I know a man who has two grown children with children of their own which of course made him a grandfather and then divorced his wife and re married several years later and had a child with his second wife so now his grandchildren are older than his last child. I think he is either insane or he is a better man than I am or maybe both. Anyway better him than me.
I know a man who has two grown children with children of their own which of course made him a grandfather and then divorced his wife and re married several years later and had a child with his second wife so now his grandchildren are older than his last child. I think he is either insane or he is a better man than I am or maybe both. Anyway better him than me.
My neighbor is almost like that. His grandchild is about a year younger than his youngest child. And he would like to have more children, too.
You know what ?come to.think one of my brothers is just like that too. I don't get some men
Well, personally, I don't want to have a whole other family in my 50's - but that's just me. I also have a feeling that those men don't help out in the newborn phase as much as the wives do - so it's probably not quite as hard on them.
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