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Old 11-17-2013, 02:21 PM
 
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the common perception that they are selfish is broad brush but has merit

the ludicrious notion that its cowardly is moronic on any objective level , its an act of absolute bravery
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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"Suicide is a desperate act by someone who is in intense pain and wants their pain to stop. That is a HUMAN response to extreme pain, not a selfish one. And over 90 percent of the people who die by suicide have a mental illness at the time of their death, so they are not thinking clearly.
I don't believe this is a real statistic. I worked for a suicide prevention organization for several years, and always respected people's decisions. Often their decision to commit suicide was reasonable and well thought out. They were calling the help line because they were looking for an alternative. Sometimes they didn't find one.

The crazies were the ones who were using suicide threats as an attention getting device, or to manipulate the people around them. Generally they didn't actually intend to commit suicide, and only succeeded by accident.

Suicide is the most fundamental human right. Respect it.
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Old 11-17-2013, 03:09 PM
 
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No. They must be hurting an incredible amount to consider suicide.

I'm grateful every day that I am not depressed or emotionally hurt to the point that I want to kill myself.
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Old 11-17-2013, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I don't believe this is a real statistic. I worked for a suicide prevention organization for several years, and always respected people's decisions. Often their decision to commit suicide was reasonable and well thought out. They were calling the help line because they were looking for an alternative. Sometimes they didn't find one.

The crazies were the ones who were using suicide threats as an attention getting device, or to manipulate the people around them. Generally they didn't actually intend to commit suicide, and only succeeded by accident.

Suicide is the most fundamental human right. Respect it.
It perhaps doesn't matter if you believe it or not.

The bolded that you quoted is from the following website


Suicide is NOT a Selfish Act - It is an Act of Desperation by Someone in Intense Pain - Suicide.org!

I don't really believe it either, but after my late boyfriend committed suicide, I found out he suffered from mental illness for over decades. It is a shocking news to me that he was mentally ill.
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Old 11-17-2013, 03:43 PM
 
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To answer the OP:

absolutely not. If someone reaches this point, they're at a point of desperation... it saddens me that so many people reach this point.

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It perhaps doesn't matter if you believe it or not.

The bolded that you quoted is from the following website


Suicide is NOT a Selfish Act - It is an Act of Desperation by Someone in Intense Pain - Suicide.org!

I don't really believe it either, but after my late boyfriend committed suicide, I found out he suffered from mental illness for over decades. It is a shocking news to me that he was mentally ill.
some people hide things quite well... and this is partly the reason why mental illness/suicide is just so difficult to get a handle on. People don't know the personal pain and see the suicide as a "get out"... when really that person has been battling things for years.




Someone very close to me, has experienced mental pain like this... he'd ring me at 3am desperate at times...while he has moved through this sort of mental anguish, (I think) I still regularly ask if everything is okay.... I don't want him to return to days where he felt alone.
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Old 11-17-2013, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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It perhaps doesn't matter if you believe it or not.

The bolded that you quoted is from the following website


Suicide is NOT a Selfish Act - It is an Act of Desperation by Someone in Intense Pain - Suicide.org!

I don't really believe it either, but after my late boyfriend committed suicide, I found out he suffered from mental illness for over decades. It is a shocking news to me that he was mentally ill.
That must have been very difficult for you.

My cousin's husband committed suicide. This was over thirty years ago, and she never found out why or had any inkling that he was planning to do such a thing. They were married and had an eight-month-old baby. He said he was going outside to get firewood for their fireplace. He didn't come back, so she went out to look for him and found him hanging in the garage. No clue, no warning, no note. She went into a deep depression, spending every day for almost a year at his grave until finally family members intervened and persuaded her that she had to move on for her son's sake.
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:14 PM
 
Location: California
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No not selfish, they need help. They are mentally ill and need help/treatment/support/love. They can't even find the answers to help themselves how can they be expected to think of how others might feel. When someone has been feeling so low for so long and that tunnel that they're in keeps getting deeper and darker making the light they once saw eventually shut off...causing them to do what they feel will release them from their pain. Their hands are tied as they are a slave to their mental disease. Those poor souls are in a place that is so beyond anything any one of us can ever imagine and their deep despair feels like a thousand knives cutting at them. They beg to be released from their mental torture. They sit in solitude wrestling with their emotions. Hands tied, eyes wet with tears. They beg for it to cease.

How can this be selfish?

My friend hung herself when she was very young. Everyone knew she was cutting herself, her family, her friends. Why couldn't anyone stop her or help her? I was only 16 years old. I tried to help, I couldn't find the right words or the right things to do, just wasn't able to change her course.
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Nantahala National Forest, NC
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The ONLY answer needed...
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I don't think they are selfish. I think they were people who were in extreme pain.
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:30 PM
 
Location: it depends
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The ONLY answer needed...
by ows.
When confronted by any behavior that seems inexplicable, it is helpful to remember that the person must have believed that what they did was the best course of action available to them. Otherwise they would have taken another course. So then it may be easier to understand. We just can't know what goes on in the mind of another. I'm not saying this makes anything easier to bear, or is a fix or a cure for grief. It is none of those things.
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:31 PM
 
Location: earth?
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I do think that their disregard for the effects on others could be considered selfish. If they end their lives in a violent way, they have to have considered that someone will find them - in that way, you could say they are selfish or perhaps "passive-aggressive." Some may do it as a way to punish - to say "F You" to the world and whomever finds them. That's not "nice."
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