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Old 11-18-2013, 06:59 PM
 
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Loved ones are never forgotten by the ones who once lived with and loved them. Yes, in a sense they are selfish. But, the human mind and what goes on inside of it is the real way that suicidal people see things. If they could just really hold on "one more day." From my own personal experience, the longer loved ones have been gone from us the closer we become to them. The memories of them increase, and it seems they only died yesterday. I hope this helps.
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Old 11-18-2013, 07:21 PM
 
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No, I do not think they are selfish. I would like to that that prior to them commiting the act, that they thought of their loved ones, but the internal torture was too great. The switch could not be un-flipped. The

I had three guy friends commit suicide after breakups. If anything, I blamed myself because maybe if I'd been there for them, I could have prevented it. Blaming myself and thinking "What If" is NOT going to bring them back. I wish it would, but I know it does not make a world of difference.
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Old 11-19-2013, 07:22 PM
 
Location: The Great West
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When you're suicidal, you don't think you're being selfish. You think you're doing what's best for everyone. Life is extremely painful.
I completely agree.

Once a person gets to the point of making that decision, they are no longer thinking rationally about who they would hurt. I've often felt that if I died, nobody would care. I think a lot of people feel that way sometimes. But I have never gotten to the point of thinking "I should die and I should do it to myself." The worst was when I would be out walking around and think, "if I got hit by a car right now, or some freak accident happened, that would be okay."

To take it into your own hands is something entirely different. Most people who commit suicide are at their wit's end. The fact they even got there is shameful for the others who should have known and helped.
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Old 11-20-2013, 07:46 PM
 
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People who are driven to kill themselves are just not thinking of how their death affects others. As this woman said, they are not CAPABLE of thinking that way.
This is not true, not for all suicidal individuals.

How would you explain the "I'm sorry" notes from people who commit suicide? "I'm sorry for doing this to you mom." Do you not think this person was aware of what his mother was going to feel when he killed himself? He was so capable of thinking about it that he apologized before he even did it. According to the document's date created and last save, he wrote the letter just before he died.


I don't know if it's selfish. I'm not going to judge someone who isn't even here anymore.
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Old 11-20-2013, 08:15 PM
 
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Do I think people who commit suicide are selfish?...not at all, in their minds they might feel they're doing society, or family and friends a favor bowing out. Not selfish, just mixed up. Just needing someone to be there with them...It's sad that it's such a permanent ending.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:49 PM
 
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No.
People who think a suicidal individual should live to satisfy other people's happiness is selfish. Everyone has their own life to live
I agree
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:52 PM
 
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He was so capable of thinking about it that he apologized before he even did it. According to the document's date created and last save, he wrote the letter just before he died.

It's the kind of capable when a person say: I am in too much pain... I am sorry, I know that this will make you said and I hate causing you pain, but I just can't bear it...

People expect suicidal people to forget their pain and to focus on those who don't have the pain, to suffer for their sake... Doesn't seem fair to me. Why should they suffer all these years just to make sure that the happy ones don't suffer later?
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:54 PM
 
Location: USA
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People who expect an individual to live through an incurable mental illness or even severe physical deformities that ruin that individual's quality of life are selfish. Perhaps such people (even family) were partly to blame by not being there when that person needed them or in the case of parents, neglecting them as children.

There is nothing selfish about suicide compared to many of the bad things people do that are truly selfish such as adultery, stealing, bullying. Some people commit suicide because they don't want to become a burden

Until we can find a way of curing mental illness or truly helping those in need, suicide is a fact of life and should be legalized so that sixth people can die in a a painless and dignified manner rather than use a risky method which has a high probability of failure or leaving a gruesome mess for someone to discover.

It's all about quality of life. Some mental illnesses can be treated to the point where an individual can at least experience a reasonable quality of life. For others, it never goes away and such people cannot experience prolonged joy or any kind of stability. Some end up homeless, destitute, in trouble with the law or just completely alone and ostracized. This is a very uncaring world. I don't blame many people for wanting to check out on their own terms rather than face 70+ years of agony and turmoil.
Well said!
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:49 AM
 
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This is not true, not for all suicidal individuals.

How would you explain the "I'm sorry" notes from people who commit suicide? "I'm sorry for doing this to you mom." Do you not think this person was aware of what his mother was going to feel when he killed himself? He was so capable of thinking about it that he apologized before he even did it. According to the document's date created and last save, he wrote the letter just before he died.


I don't know if it's selfish. I'm not going to judge someone who isn't even here anymore.
Good points. Some people are aware.
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Old 11-21-2013, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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