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Old 11-22-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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15 is an adolescent, not a child. If I found out my son, turning 18, had never ever looked at porn, I'd be concerned. (Same for if he never kissed a romantic interest) That is a world of difference between approving it and knowing that it happens. From what I've seen, the people that profoundly squash their own curiosity are more mentally unstable than those that try it. Yes, there are addicts, there are people with problems, but not everyone that drinks is an alcoholic, nor is everyone that has ever seen porn a "porn-aholic" or whatever idiot term is being provided. To suggest that the terrible content of some material can infect other material is akin to stating that because one does not approve of porn, they can not approve of any movie. Thus they can not approve of cameras, and since some phones have cameras, they can not approve of phones.

It is a slippery slope argument, and part of the problem is that a large part of our population thinks that the "slippery slope" is a useful deductive tool, rather than recognizing it as a logical fallacy.

For the record: I've known handfuls of people that were very strict about everything, and they were usually the ones to make terrible decisions later in life because they had not learned gradually. The ones that create strong taboos about sex are much more prone to making terrible decisions about when and with whom to engage in it.
Just so. I have seen married couples commit terrible emotional violence on each other, because they never learned to be complete human beings. I think this starts when we ghettoize childhood. They never learn adult relationships because children are never allowed to interact with adults.

The same problem extends into sexual activities as the kids grow up and move into adolescence. The only how-to information teens get about sex is from their friends and porn. Their friends are mostly as ignorant as they are, and most porn illustrates absolutely horrible sexual technique. They don't even understand what their bodies are doing.

One example is post-coital depression. Most teenage boys suffer from this, but have never even heard of it. They have no idea how it is affecting their behavior. The poor 14 year old girl just knows that after she has sex with her boyfriend she wants to be cuddled and loved, and all he wants to do is get away from her. That sort of thing can leave scars. I have seen light bulbs go off in the heads of teenage girls when I told them about it.

The traditional societal solution has been to marry two virgins together, lock them up in a house, and let them work it out. As often as not, they didn't. Sex is a critical tool for binding two people together while they work out a relationship. As Dear Abby (the original) used to say, "When a marriage is on the rocks, usually the rocks are in the mattress." That's not their fault, it's the Forces For Decency that kept them ignorant and disfunctional.

Teenagers seek out pornography because they are curious. They critically need some sex info, and porn is the only place they are going to find any, even if half of it is wrong.
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Old 11-23-2013, 04:13 PM
 
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My gut instinct is to be repulsed by the thought of a minor watching porn. It just "seems" so wrong. Then again, I'm all for parents and guardians being open and honest about sexuality. And if they are, and porn is not the only source from which a kid gets his/her info, maybe it's not all that bad??? I just know the kind of stuff the internet offers up is not nearly as innocent as the centerfold of a Playboy...do we really want our 13-year-olds watching scat videos or BDSM?!?!?!
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Old 11-24-2013, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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if you are not a parent, or take care of a child in some way- then you cannot see that side of it. Good parents want to protect and make good kids--- to be good people--- least some of them. Every time we pickup a pedophile doing criminal acts-I ask myself why? what happened?
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:08 PM
 
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if you are not a parent, or take care of a child in some way- then you cannot see that side of it. Good parents want to protect and make good kids--- to be good people--- least some of them. Every time we pickup a pedophile doing criminal acts-I ask myself why? what happened?
I doubt very much that pornography has anything to do with pedophilia. I know there is a black market in pornography featuring pre-pubescent children, but I'm past retirement age and have never seen any. If anyone is discovered with child pornography, they go straight to prison. I doubt any teenager is going to find it by web surfing unless they are already pedophiles and searching it out.
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:42 PM
 
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I doubt very much that pornography has anything to do with pedophilia. I know there is a black market in pornography featuring pre-pubescent children, but I'm past retirement age and have never seen any. If anyone is discovered with child pornography, they go straight to prison. I doubt any teenager is going to find it by web surfing unless they are already pedophiles and searching it out.
the black market as you call it, is more available than you think- pedophile n porn have been linked to crime-- now my concern is more teen porn or sexting- it is becoming a norm n with horrible consequences
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Old 11-24-2013, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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the black market as you call it, is more available than you think- pedophile n porn have been linked to crime-- now my concern is more teen porn or sexting- it is becoming a norm n with horrible consequences
Would you have any support for these assertions? How about a link to this supposed pedophile porn that is so available? I know about teens sexting, and them getting arrested because possession of teen porn is a felony, but doing legal damage to people is pretty well enshrined in American law. If you expect me to get upset about teens having sex, you aren't going to get much traction, particularly since teen pregnancy is on the decline. I'm of a generation where people could get really messed up sexually without having sex at all.
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Old 11-24-2013, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA/Seattle, WA
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The problem with porn isn't watching it- it's the psychological effects that it has on young people, even adults for that matter. When you watch porn as a kid, you tend to think that, that's how sex should be. Rough, no respect, etc. Problem is- sex is much more than that. That's the only problem I have with it.
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Old 11-25-2013, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Would you have any support for these assertions? How about a link to this supposed pedophile porn that is so available? I know about teens sexting, and them getting arrested because possession of teen porn is a felony, but doing legal damage to people is pretty well enshrined in American law. If you expect me to get upset about teens having sex, you aren't going to get much traction, particularly since teen pregnancy is on the decline. I'm of a generation where people could get really messed up sexually without having sex at all.

Enough arrests are made to show all of the cases and the details etc of the perpetrators, I can't give you case info- but--just to show you recent news in this matter-
Google just STARTING to band these sites

Google Is Now Blocking 100,000 Search Queries Related to Child Pornography... | Digital Music NewsDigital Music News
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