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Old 01-26-2014, 12:40 AM
 
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What makes a person be who they are?

I think that a person's responses (how he responds to any given situation or to any person) is dependent on data stored in his brain. The brain calculates the experiences and produces the best possible conclusion (of how to act/respond next time you encounter this situation).

So is it memories and experiences what determine how this person acts?

If nature gave birth to 10 people and all of them had the same memories/experiences, would they have the same personality?

So I wonder what would happen if you erased the person's memories? Would other people recognize this person by his actions or would he act differently?

Would we all be the same given the same circumstances? What makes us unique?

Different combinations of genes makes us look different physically. Is there something in genes that dictates personality even before memories and experiences? Even before the brain has any data to calculate how to respond to any given situation?
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Old 01-26-2014, 02:15 AM
 
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Sure . U don't know about Autism or Asperger Syndrome ? People are born with an odd personality even before any experiences or memories to build their personality with time or any brain data as u said .
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Old 01-26-2014, 08:35 AM
 
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Default What makes a person be who they are?

Well, let's see, that probably depends on your point of view….

If you're a Christian Fundamentalist, it's either because of 'God' or the 'Devil'.
If you're a Freudian, it's all about the Libido, and the two competing forces of cathexis and anticathexis.
If you're a Neurobiologist, it's just a matter of the right neurotransmitters, like Dopamine or Oxytoxin.
If you're a Feminist, it's because of the Male Patriarchy.
If you're a Communist, it's due to the eternal struggle between the "dialectic" of Capital and Labor.
If you're a Rightwing conservative, then blame it on a 'permissive society' and the "lib-rul media".
And if you're a Redneck, than it's probably just 'cuz "yore mama didn't whip 'ya hard enuff"!
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Old 01-26-2014, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Somewhere on this 3rd rock from the sun
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What makes a person be who they are?

I think that a person's responses (how he responds to any given situation or to any person) is dependent on data stored in his brain. The brain calculates the experiences and produces the best possible conclusion (of how to act/respond next time you encounter this situation).

So is it memories and experiences what determine how this person acts?

If nature gave birth to 10 people and all of them had the same memories/experiences, would they have the same personality?

So I wonder what would happen if you erased the person's memories? Would other people recognize this person by his actions or would he act differently?

Would we all be the same given the same circumstances? What makes us unique?

Different combinations of genes makes us look different physically. Is there something in genes that dictates personality even before memories and experiences? Even before the brain has any data to calculate how to respond to any given situation?

Its all genetics. Nothing more.
We overestimate the power of our conscious...psychology, philosophy, trying to find "the purpose". Nothing. NADA. It is all bare basics biology. Your mind is the powerhouse and it is governed by chemicals. Anything they say about "nurture" or circumstances are layerings at best. If you are born depressed, don't matter whether you're in a first world nation or third, married to the most beautiful woman or a virgin, have loads of cash or are a hobo. You will rue your existence
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Old 01-26-2014, 08:49 AM
 
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^ ^ Genetics and "nothing more"? So in other words, your post was just "automatic writing" (no doubt dictated by the 'voices in your head' …lol)?!
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Old 01-26-2014, 10:38 AM
 
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People act differently when they are around different people. Why? Because they met with these types of people before and they got hurt, so they developed a protective shell, a response that won't let them get hurt when they are around those kinds of people.

But then they have a friend whom they trust with their heart. And so they are gentle and open and friendly with them. Like a different person.

So for example, some women who had a few bad relationships in a row would start to treat all men like enemies. And so when they would meet a new man, they would be tough and sarcastic and cold and untrusting. And a man would think that this woman is this kind of a person: cold and sarcastic and uncaring.

But this same woman would have a child or a friend whom she loves and trusts and will act as a gentle, nurturing and caring person around them.


Let's say this same woman finally met a man who treated her just right. She would melt (over time) and would lose her cold sarcastic nature (when being around men). And if her man died for example, the next time she will meet other men, she will stop automatically treating all men as enemies and will become a bit different. Now her brain will have two kinds of data to work with, two kinds of experiences: some men are bad, some men are good. So next time she would meet a man, instead of automatically being cold and sarcastic, she would probably act decently and will give them a chance to see if they are worth it, and will pay more attention to subtle differences to determine what type of man is standing in front of her.

So this is how our past experiences are affecting our current behavior, which is perceived like a personality.

But it's not set in stone. It can be changed. Personality changes when circumstances change.

Bad people could become good people if you surround them with love for a long time. Many bad people become bad because they are mistreated by those around them and so they develop "appropriate" responses towards others, which are "bad"...

But, as someone has mentioned, genetics also play a role. It was a good point about being born defective (like with Autism). Those people lack certain things to be able to act normal.

Some psycho paths have a very screwed up logic (at least from majority people's point of view). So this means that there is something different in their internal programming.

I believe that people come pre-programmed with original dna at first. But then this dna knows how to write new programs (something to do with learning algorithms). But nothing is perfect. So as the new programs get written, they get screwed up in some ways (like in psychopath's thinking for example). So a screw up in the newly written programs affect personality. Beliefs write programs also, so they affect our personality. Some Christians would become very non-sensual if they believed that sensuality is a sin.

Also, the balance of chemicals would determine if you're a sad person overall or a happy person. And also pills can change that balance. So pills (aka: chemicals) can change your personality. And the foods you eat (since they are also essentially chemicals).


So, based on all of the above, personality seems to be a very fluid and very changeable thing. So what makes you unique at any given moment is the combination of circumstances, beliefs/teachings, what kinds of people you're around, what chemical balance is in your body, and whether your inner programs have bugs or were written in proper logic, or whether your genetics screwed up when you were born.

Some people are born with inability to feel empathy. These people cannot be compassionate. They cannot feel how the others are feeling or what it means to hurt the other person. So these may turn out "bad" if things don't go just right in their circumstances because there is nothing to stop them from hurting others. Because empathy makes you feel the hurt of others and you don't want to hurt others because it's like hurting your self. But if you can't feel that, then why not hurt someone? Well, some may be afraid of punishment, so that may deter some. But then there are those who are not afraid... and then the people around them will be in trouble.

So bad people exist because of nature screw ups and because of other people acting imperfectly and affecting them in a negative way (which is a nature screw up also in a sense).
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Old 01-28-2014, 06:54 PM
 
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We are "time" travelers. Our souls have no age; just experience. Even if you don't recall another "life" you have had them.
We are more then the sum of our pasts/parts.
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:54 PM
 
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What makes a person be who they are?

Well, I think it has a LOT to do with how they are raised, and the life experiences acquired during.
Some people, like sociopaths are "wired" differently right from the beginning.
Life experiences would have to be the main determination of why people are who they are...in my opinion.
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Old 01-29-2014, 12:04 AM
 
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Has no one ever heard of astrological influences?
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Old 01-29-2014, 01:43 AM
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We are "time" travelers. Our souls have no age; just experience. Even if you don't recall another "life" you have had them.
We are more then the sum of our pasts/parts.
Why is this life not my first?
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