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Not having a confirmed diagnosis of Asperger's does not mean one does not have the disorder. It means no doctor has diagnosed you with it.
Everything we know about Rodgers points to Asperger's: We know from comments made by his parents and his teachers that from an early age, this person was biologically, fundamentally unable to "connect" with other human beings. This is classic Asperger's.
I also think (but of course cannot prove) that along with Asperger's he had either Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
The fact that he did not have any diagnosis tells me that his parents - who knew about and verbalized their concern and worry over him from an early age - nonetheless did not get him the intensive therapy he needed to cope with this disorder. There are myriad reasons for this - fear of stigmatizing him, their marital woes and fractured family, lack of financial resources, and lack of external mental health resources. I'm sure it goes without saying that they perhaps had their heads in the sand, hoping he would "grow out of it" and "get better." The mom buying him a BMW to "help improve his self esteem" is just sad. A BMW is $80K - how much therapy would that buy? (Although I should point out that parents cannot legally compel their adult children to undergo therapy without some kind of catalyzing factor).
I don't mean to point the finger of blame at the parents, necessarily. But I can't help but compare them to the family of Jani Schofield - an 11-year-old with schizophrenia whose parents had to fight an epic battle to get her diagnosed and treated. Their entire life as a family revolves around ensuring she gets the right treatment, the right education and the right socialization she needs so that she can function in society. Even though she was and is far more obviously ill than Rodgers, her parents still have to battle doctors (who refused at first to diagnose her) the public school systems (who at first would not accommodate her because she was violent), their insurance company (with whom they have to fight and appeal constantly over paying for her care), and even the state (who wanted to separate her from her family and send her to an out-of-state treatment facility). Through all of this, they have remained unified as a family, and the prognosis for this little girl is hopeful.
I do most sincerely believe that our government has utterly failed its citizens by neutralizing and destroying most public mental health services. Parents of mentally ill children have no where to turn except the private sector, and insurance companies in particular offer only limited help in covering these services. For example, my own plan (which is pretty good in all other areas) limits in-patient therapy to 30 days and outpatient therapy to 60 days. In-office psychiatry and therapy visits have a calendar year limit of 10 days per year. None of which is sufficient to give a mentally ill child what he/she needs to survive and adapt to the world.
In California there are so many personal rights that it is difficult for police or any counsellor,even trained ones, to pick out and decipher behaviors which lead to violence against self and others. For this bright person he was able to covertly suppress his rage to the point of fooling parents, police and therapists. What I find remarkable is that the "other" person within him was supremely violent to the point of murdering 3 others with a knife. That would be hard to do for any person and this rather slight young person pulled it off maybe by surprise. That demonic (not literal) act and the resulting scene would have shocked most people into some semblance yet that was only the beginning. His rage I think was far deeper than just being rejected by women though he identified it as such. His acts symbolize tremendous and overwhelming rage anger and homicidal intention. That is really something to carry around within him and fool others. Reminds me of a couple serial killers who during courtroom trial expressed that rage. It was like seeing another demonic person within them. Tragic.
...his parents - who knew about and verbalized their concern and worry over him from an early age - nonetheless did not get him the intensive therapy he needed to cope with this disorder.... I'm sure it goes without saying that they perhaps had their heads in the sand, hoping he would "grow out of it" and "get better."
You must have missed the links on this and other threads detailing his therapy from age 8 on. I believe his mother stated that she thought he might be danger to himself, but didn't realize that he could be a danger to others.
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he was able to covertly suppress his rage to the point of fooling parents, police and therapists. What I find remarkable is that the "other" person within him was supremely violent to the point of murdering 3 others with a knife. His rage I think was far deeper than just being rejected by women though he identified it as such. His acts symbolize tremendous and overwhelming rage anger and homicidal intention.
Bottom line- the guy was just nuts. A lot of guys are still virgins at the age of 22 and they don't go on rampages or obsess over it the way Rodger did.
Thanks for posting that. I couldn't read his manifesto ( for number one I don't have the patience) but I did get to page 22 or 24? ( It was just blah, blah, blah to me) But my last post in the other thread was knowing he was psychotic. So, he didn't take the medicine.. that figures. I bet his parents didn't re-enforce it either ( as in institutionalizing him)
Being psychotic is real serious, folks!
Also- by reading it I felt like I was giving him validation and I wasn't going down his road because that is EXACTLY what he wanted. He wanted someone to join him on this twisted journey. His partner was the drug he needed to take that was outwardly a hot blonde.
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I couldn't read his manifesto ( for number one I don't have the patience) but I did get to page 22 or 24? ( It was just blah, blah, blah to me) But my last post in the other thread was knowing he was psychotic.
I made it only to about page 80, at the suggestion of some coworkers who thought that possibly by reading it, someone could gain an insight into his character to prevent another massacre like this from happening. His writing seemed to be similar to a journal that many people could have written...no particular trauma or reason for the kind of rage that he must have carried to commit such a horrific crime. While he definitely suffered failures and losses, they don't appear to significantly stand out. You've prompted me to try to read his manifesto to the end.
I only made it to about page 80, at the suggestion of some coworkers who thought that possibly by reading it, someone could gain an insight into his character to prevent another massacre like this from happening. His writing seemed to be similar to a journal that many people could have written...no particular trauma or reason for the kind of rage that he must have carried to commit such a horrific crime. While he definitely suffered failures and losses, they do not appear to significantly stand out. You've prompted me to try to read it to the end.
Someone posted this on another forum about him; it looks interesting (have viewed only the first 10 minutes or so). http://video.pbs.org/video/2332614200/
I'll look at it.. thanks.
Agreed, nothing really stood out and it was pure narcissism. Oh, he was so different and he was so unique.. I mean, I can still read it but seriously, I have known more brilliant people that were that ill but took action. This guy never took any action on any one thing... never. Whether it was a girl, or a gun.. nothing.
He did get off his lazy butt and buy some lottery tickets though thinking if he was rich, he would have babes all over him. But that effort was getting in the car and going to the store? Oh and lets not forget when he had to buy his sunglasses. God!
You know, what I am saying is in a way, is I am way more brilliant than that ( and I am not boasting) I don't really how to put it or how to write it so I am certainly not trying to boost my ego.. but this kid wasn't that bright. I have said before that he is lucky that he lived in his little bubble because someone would have taken him out.
The doctor prescribed him medication and he wouldn't take it. He didn't do much of anything. But I know he was screaming on the phone ( according to his 1st roommate that was interviewed) and that had to be his mom or dad.. because there wasn't anyone else. He didn't want to work and I think they got into fighting matches about taking more classes or working.. I think he took more classes because he didn't want to work.. but he didn't want to be in class, I think he thought a girl would help him get more sympathy and money for position from his parents.
That was what part of the screaming matches.. so his parents weren't oblivious to this.
I was in a similar position to Elliot Rodger, but I never embraced violence for that reason. Instead I moved and gave into my "dark thoughts", i.e., I actually started talking to girls. After several called me names and one slapped me, I ended up with one that became my first almost girlfriend. We hung out and one day our clothes just kind of fell off...I was 29. It was my first time.
I think it needs to be said that yes, before you feminists get in an uproar, it does suck that women get looked at and hit on all the time. But NONE of you can deny that sometimes you like the attention. Now, try going your whole life NEVER being looked at, no matter how you dress up or what you do or say. That feeling of being unwanted is just as dehumanizing as being cat-called.
Women say things like "I hate the way men look at me!" Well, a rebuttal is that I hate the way women don't look at me.
He probably had mental issues other than this and he finally snapped. Personally if I knew this guy I would have taken him out and given him the secret ingredient to talking to females: CANNABIS! It loosens you up without numbing the senses to the point that you act a fool. Or I would have just got him a high class escort. No, it isn't enough to have sex that is paid for, but it could help.
But ultimately yeah, it sucks to be made to feel unwanted and not sexy. Men don't usually talk about this stuff and few women can relate, but it is there. And by "few women" I mean it. Every woman on Earth is sexy to some men, and some men prefer heavy or older women. I have YET to hear of a woman who prefers shorter or skinny guys. But a little charm can fix that, which is what the cannabis is for as it helps bring out the natural charm in a man. Still, I have to convince women, and it does suck knowing none will ever see me and think "he's hot."
Why can't more women just accept this? We men accept that there are things women have to deal with that we don't, like worrying about getting home safe at night or sitting next to creeps on a bus. Why can't women admit that the absolute feeling of being unwanted sexually by anyone is a man thing that few, if any, women ever go through?
Elliot Rodger's actions were inexcusable, and I say this as a diagnosed ASPD "sufferer". But his rage and feelings were absolutely justified.
And every day several young men just like him kill themselves and no one makes a fuss. Isn't their suffering worth anything? Why do people only care when he takes others with him? If he had just shot himself in class "Jeremy" style, would there be as much a fuss?
It stems from Elliott feeling that he was entitled to women, which was ultimately a consequence of him getting everything he wanted in life (besides women, of course). Similar to many people in his generation, he was a spoiled little prick who never worked for the things he had, including his BMW.
The younger generation needs to realize that you aren't entitled to anything in life, including women. If women aren't particularly attracted to you, that is your own fault and you should be left to deal with it. Real men aren't jealous of other men's success. Real men constantly seek to improve themselves instead of crying about their "unfair" situation. Elliott could have learned game from Roissy, Roosh, Mystery, and other PUA experts. Instead, he spent his entire life feeling sorry for himself and allowed his rage, jealousy, and bitterness to fester inside of him until he reached a boiling point. He was a helpless coward who caused more harm than good on this planet. He should have done society a favor and pointed the gun at himself before inflicting so much pain on the innocent victims and their families.
It makes my blood boil that there are brave soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting to defend the freedoms of these cowards.
Could be, but still there are many people who have an entitled life and they dont go out killing.
I think what you said PLUS the mix of what he was made of - his character - and the lack of a certain kind of spirituality added to the mix of what you said - created this monster. If you have character, even if you are in his situation, you will not act up on the evil that's inside you, because you have character.
Small doses of Elliott are these idiots on the news who get into arguments and then kill someone over a stupid fight. or do drive bys because of the same. in the end people get kiilled in "senseness" violence. it has roots - in people that have no character,, that have no values for others. they dont have empathy for others, they see people as objects and they get some kind of power that they act without thinking "hey this is a real person im about to kill".
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