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Yes, this thread has a provocative title, but I gotta draw y'all in here somehow and my winning smile is not text.
It seems like the biggest group of douche bags/a holes out there are men who grew up without fathers. Obviously not every guy who grew up without a father is bad, I would bet most are very good in fact. It's whole all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares thing.
Anyway, it seems like the biggest pricks out there have a correlation to growing up without a dad.
I don't know if it just gives them a bad disposition or what.
Thoughts?
I'd rephrase the concept you are trying to convey by saying, "Men who grow up with no father figure or guardian who takes an active effort in disciplining and nurturing them generally turn out to be poorly skilled in getting along with others in a civilized respectful manner, and those who have abusive guardians usually turn out the worst.
The wild card component is it still is up to the individual. I'm sure many have seen this phenomena whereby, two children in same household raised by same guardian turn out totally different - based upon how they respond to their situation in life. I'm reminded of the story of two boys raised by an absentee father who upon explaining why they are the way they are, one responds "it's because of my father" (the maladjusted one) and the other (well adjusted one) responds with, "well I didn't want to be like what I had as an example of a father."
Also, there are occasional statistical outliers that are simply 'bad seed'.
Nah, in my experience men with fathers tended to be jerks more than those with a single parent mother. The dudes I know without fathers had to mature sooner, basically learning that life isn't a cakewalk. Those guys seemed more authoritative and confident because they weren't carrying around the pathologies of their fathers. Of course when I say that, I'm talking about a handful of dudes that happened to have great moms. This probably wouldn't be the case if they had pushover moms.
Obviously, two great parents is better than one great parent. Many of the guys that end up in prison, didn't get there because they lacked a father. The ended up in prison because they didn't have ONE good parent or they chose not to listen to anyone that offered sound advice. Besides, most of these prisoners lack education and are mired in multigenerational poverty. Fathers being present or absentee wouldn't make much difference for most of them.
Nah, in my experience men with fathers tended to be jerks more than those with a single parent mother. The dudes I know without fathers had to mature sooner, basically learning that life isn't a cakewalk. Those guys seemed more authoritative and confident because they weren't carrying around the pathologies of their fathers. Of course when I say that, I'm talking about a handful of dudes that happened to have great moms. This probably wouldn't be the case if they had pushover moms.
Obviously, two great parents is better than one great parent. Many of the guys that end up in prison, didn't get there because they lacked a father. The ended up in prison because they didn't have ONE good parent or they chose not to listen to anyone that offered sound advice. Besides, most of these prisoners lack education and are mired in multigenerational poverty. Fathers being present or absentee wouldn't make much difference for most of them.
That is your independent experience and it doesn't bear out statistically in the overall population. You can pull up statistics on bad fathers and mothers to stand on its own as a separate issue.
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)
80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)
You might want to edit the subject line because the way it reads now --"men who group up without fathers"-- doesn't really make any sense and doesn't seem to be what you want to discuss. You might be losing a significant part of your audience not to mention a certain amount of credibility.
Just a suggestion.
Yeah, I thought it meant getting into gangs or something.
I wouldn't say that they're the worst, and I think that a whole bunch of other variables are also connected, but I would agree that growing up without a father has a profound effect on a son.
My paternal grandfather wasn't present for his kids very often, but my dad and his brothers saw how their father acted and decided they didn't want to be anything like him. All of them went through college, got married, stayed married, had kids, and were very successful. Their's is a case of using something negative to drive you to do something positive, but I know that some people struggle to do that. It's usually the men who grew up without fathers AND weren't well supported by their mother or anyone else that tend to struggle the hardest.
That is your independent experience and it doesn't bear out statistically in the overall population. You can pull up statistics on bad fathers and mothers to stand on its own as a separate issue.
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)
80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)
You might want to edit the subject line because the way it reads now --"men who group up without fathers"-- doesn't really make any sense and doesn't seem to be what you want to discuss. You might be losing a significant part of your audience not to mention a certain amount of credibility.
Just a suggestion.
I thought it meant social groups of men who exclude fathers for some reason.
I don't know....I kind of think men who grow up with abusive fathers in the home as a consistent, "stable" example end up being the biggest douchebags.
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