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Perhaps I'm ignorant, but, I'm not a victim like yourself.
Not clear who you are addressing your comment to? If to me, I don't suffer BPD. Nor did I say anything about having PTSD. So in what way am I a victim?
You state that you have PTSD. People with PTSD have experienced severe life threatening trauma in specific events to themselves or persons they are close to. Thus they are victims of violent experience. Here you have been demeaning and attacking a person with a disorder of which you are not apparently well educated. Having been in some kind of relationship with another who is BPD does not constitute understanding or being knowledgeable of the disorder. But as a PTSD victim how would you feel if persons who do not understand PTSD stated there is no such thing and demeaned you for acting like a cop-out whiner? A wuss who blames others for your being a weak personality? If you do have PTSD, and have become educated about your challenge and been in therapy and or are taking medication, you know better than to accept an ignorant anonymous diagnosis. Yet this is what you are handing out to another.
I am a bit baffled by your vituperation toward cinderslippers.
Exactly!!! Poor them and yet they won't even get treatment because it is far better to blame everything on everybody else. Move on.....and stop it. Simple teenage drama most of these people.
You won't get treatment if you don't think you have a problem. And the longer you've had the problem, the harder it'll be to even recognize that you have it. I'm sure in her mind there's nothing wrong with her behavior.
You won't get treatment if you don't think you have a problem. And the longer you've had the problem, the harder it'll be to even recognize that you have it. I'm sure in her mind there's nothing wrong with her behavior.
I'm confused why she won't get treatment and just runs around claiming poor me??? Another poster says I'm the ignorant one
Not clear who you are addressing your comment to? If to me, I don't suffer BPD. Nor did I say anything about having PTSD. So in what way am I a victim?
You state that you have PTSD. People with PTSD have experienced severe life threatening trauma in specific events to themselves or persons they are close to. Thus they are victims of violent experience. Here you have been demeaning and attacking a person with a disorder of which you are not apparently well educated. Having been in some kind of relationship with another who is BPD does not constitute understanding or being knowledgeable of the disorder. But as a PTSD victim how would you feel if persons who do not understand PTSD stated there is no such thing and demeaned you for acting like a cop-out whiner? A wuss who blames others for your being a weak personality? If you do have PTSD, and have become educated about your challenge and been in therapy and or are taking medication, you know better than to accept an ignorant anonymous diagnosis. Yet this is what you are handing out to another.
I am a bit baffled by your vituperation toward cinderslippers.
She could get treatment if she chose to, but, instead she chooses to be ill and difficult. Does that make me ignorant?
She could get treatment if she chose to, but, instead she chooses to be ill and difficult. Does that make me ignorant?
First of all, realize that when I say "ignorant" I refer to not being aware and educated on the condition. It is not a condemnation statement of your intellect broadly. Secondly, I was referring to anyone who reacts judgmentally without knowledge, not specifically you and you alone.
Third, as I and others here have pointed out, no one chooses to live in hell who knows the path out. Great numbers of people all around the world throughout history have found themselves unable to release from addictions and other unhealthy behaviors. Most people have numerous faults which they are unable to break free from. A simple example could include: being hypercritical of others to no purpose.
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Originally Posted by stormynh
you said in an earlier post you have yet to start DBT
BPD was, until the mid-1980's, considered an effective death sentence. That is, there were no pharmacological protocols that worked and no other therapies including counseling that had any success. People who developed BPD were considered incurable even by the best in psychiatry and psychology.
Nothing worked.
Nothing.
Until a woman, Marsha M. Linehan, a psychologist who suffered the affliction herself, had some epiphany and realized how a certain counseling approach could release the bonds and defeat the reactive behaviors. The counseling style she developed is Dialectical Behavior Therapy, DBT. Though recognized widely now as the definitive solution for BPD, it requires highly specialized training for use with those clients and those certified are relatively few. DBT is thus not easily or widely available. It is also very intense in its toll on practitioners. Most DBT counseling and counselors engage in team therapy practices which also include valuable support group activity for the therapists themselves. The competent BPD therapist is always measuring and checking and analyzing every statement made by both the client and themselves in response. They check their interpretations and client progress with other DBT specialists. It is an exhausting practice.
This disorder is, as I wrote earlier in this thread, nothing to take lightly. It is viciously destructive and frankly carries high risk of fatal behaviors.
Thank you for sticking with the Q&A in spite of your frustration and giving us an opportunity to educate.
First of all, realize that when I say "ignorant" I refer to not being aware and educated on the condition. It is not a condemnation statement of your intellect broadly. Secondly, I was referring to anyone who reacts judgmentally without knowledge, not specifically you and you alone.
Third, as I and others here have pointed out, no one chooses to live in hell who knows the path out. Great numbers of people all around the world throughout history have found themselves unable to release from addictions and other unhealthy behaviors. Most people have numerous faults which they are unable to break free from. A simple example could include: being hypercritical of others to no purpose.
BPD was, until the mid-1980's, considered an effective death sentence. That is, there were no pharmacological protocols that worked and no other therapies including counseling that had any success. People who developed BPD were considered incurable even by the best in psychiatry and psychology.
Nothing worked.
Nothing.
Until a woman, Marsha M. Linehan, a psychologist who suffered the affliction herself, had some epiphany and realized how a certain counseling approach could release the bonds and defeat the reactive behaviors. The counseling style she developed is Dialectical Behavior Therapy, DBT. Though recognized widely now as the definitive solution for BPD, it requires highly specialized training for use with those clients and those certified are relatively few. DBT is thus not easily or widely available. It is also very intense in its toll on practitioners. Most DBT counseling and counselors engage in team therapy practices which also include valuable support group activity for the therapists themselves. The competent BPD therapist is always measuring and checking and analyzing every statement made by both the client and themselves in response. They check their interpretations and client progress with other DBT specialists. It is an exhausting practice.
This disorder is, as I wrote earlier in this thread, nothing to take lightly. It is viciously destructive and frankly carries high risk of fatal behaviors.
Thank you for sticking with the Q&A in spite of your frustration and giving us an opportunity to educate.
I am very well aware of all of this. I have spoke with my counselor about this at some length. I have done much reading about Marsha. I still choose NOT to associate with these people as I have done my time. That is my decision and I am free to make those decisions now. The treatment may be difficult, but, it certainly can't compare to the toll that BPD take on others. This is my point......
FYI....I picked up on your final little dig......you stuck in at the last minute there.
I am very well aware of all of this. I have spoke with my counselor about this at some length. I have done much reading about Marsha. I still choose NOT to associate with these people as I have done my time. That is my decision and I am free to make those decisions now. The treatment may be difficult, but, it certainly can't compare to the toll that BPD take on others. This is my point......
FYI....I picked up on your final little dig......you stuck in at the last minute there.
Can we stop with the comparisons? BPD is a horrible life altering illness that effects not only the sufferer but their whole family and friends unit.
Neither have it the "hardest", being on either side of this illness sucks.
You've never done DBT or CBT, I can promise that it is every but as hard, difficult, uncomfortable and painful as being a loved one of someone with this illness.
Comparing these 2 groups is like apples to oranges. It sucks for everyone.
FYI - one has a personality disorder or one is bipolar - there is no bipolar personality disorder - they are separate conditions
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