Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Psychology
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 12-05-2015, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Middle America
37,409 posts, read 53,549,746 times
Reputation: 53073

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Three Wolves In Snow View Post
Because spelling (and grammar) are extremely important. If you cannot spell, I can't take you seriously. (General 'you', not you personally, OP.) If you can't string a sentence together, I won't even bother trying to communicate with you.

So often I see people make excuses that they aren't writing a paper or something at work, but if you know how to spell, you don't make the same errors repeatedly. Typos are one thing, misspellings are totally different.

Just about everything that I see misspelled should have been taught in elementary school, so there is no excuse for people not to know how to spell. It's like they were told to just go ahead and spell everything phonetically and they would still get an A for effort. Some of my biggest pet peeves with spelling happen on this forum all the time:

* would of, should of, could of instead of would have, should have, could have

* then used when it should be than

*than used when it should be then

*their, there, they're (c'mon guys, really? REALLY?)

*your, you're (again...seriously?)

*to instead of too when describing too much of something, or using it as "as well" or "also"

I will never believe that people did not learn these things by grade 6.

So, why does it bother me? To me, it shows laziness. It shows apathy.

Well, if you're too lazy and apathetic to care, why should I care what you have to say?

(Again, general "you".)
In my opinion, using the wrong "your/you're," "there/their/they're," "too/to/two," and messing up apostrophes as relate to possessives and plurals are the most unconscionable, and damage credibility the most, because they're taught from the elementary level on. They also should be learned practically by osmosis by anybody who reads even a little. None of those are confusing.

Some of what people do, too, is write the way they speak, including using regional dialects that lead to alternate spellings, colloquialisms, etc. The "would of/could of/should of" is one of these things - people just spelling out what the contractions "would've/could've/should've" sound like to their ears. People write "gonna" instead of "going to," or "wanna" instead of "want to." I know have in certain contexts, and it's a stylistic choice, versus not knowing the difference. Would I write it that way in formal writing? Of course not. Might I write it when messaging a friend on facebook? Sure. It's more casual.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-06-2015, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
9,468 posts, read 10,796,574 times
Reputation: 15967
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth View Post
I think it depends on the nature of the OP's posts. If someone comes across as angry or trollish, people are going to pick apart any mistakes in the OP's posts. If the Op is simply seeking advice and interacts in a normal, respectful fashion, people generally don't mention any typos or grammar errors.


This post hit the nail on the head. If the thread is contentious or controversial then people will get angry. If they get angry they will use spelling and grammar to demean the poster and diminish his position. I have noticed that most of these posters who do this have a liberal world view, and attacking the intelligence and education level of conservatives has been a long time left wing tactic when confronting conservative positions. I personally do not care if there are minor spelling errors/grammar errors. I can read a post and get the point of it with or without them. Now if the post is so bad that its difficult to understand because of errors then we have an issue. I do not agree that someone who misspells words has to be stupid, I know several people who misspell a lot of words that are reasonably intelligent people. Judging peoples intelligence by the amount of spelling and grammar errors simply seems to be a tool for some in these forums to use against people they disagree with.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-06-2015, 12:20 AM
 
6,192 posts, read 7,352,789 times
Reputation: 7570
Quote:
Originally Posted by Albert_The_Crocodile View Post
Yes - it's the new rule precisely because so many people didn't know any better. The Oxford comma is now a thing of the past, according to the Associated Press Stylebook. So many Americans were too dumb to remember when they were supposed to use a comma that there was no longer any meaningful uniform standard, so the AP decided to accept the inevitable and dumb the language down to the level of the average American high school student.

Welcome to the United States of America, the most poorly educated developed country on the entire planet.

Language changes constantly and what you're saying isn't really true. I already know that you can use it both ways but I prefer to list something as "this, this and that" over "this, this, and that" because, and I know this sounds stupid to some people, it is more pleasant to my eye.

People complain when sentences end in a preposition but if you read around, it is a myth. Even though that began as a bunch of nonsense, it weaved its way into our language.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-06-2015, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Middle America
37,409 posts, read 53,549,746 times
Reputation: 53073
Quote:
Originally Posted by city living View Post
Language changes constantly and what you're saying isn't really true. I already know that you can use it both ways but I prefer to list something as "this, this and that" over "this, this, and that" because, and I know this sounds stupid to some people, it is more pleasant to my eye.
I feel the opposite way. To me, the inclusion of the additional comma looks much better.

Which is, of course, arbitrary. But it is my preference.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-06-2015, 01:44 AM
 
31,897 posts, read 26,938,579 times
Reputation: 24794
Quote:
Originally Posted by Haeley_Ramirez View Post
Whats with people here mAking a deal out of spelling?
Its a forum where you create threads and get help and information

While yes the technology has changed, but persons have been dashing off notes or whatever to others for centuries, and yes grammar and spelling counted.


If my mother, grand-mother, great grand-mother were leaving a note giving instructions to the milkman, maid, or whoever they used the same standard English they would if writing a letter to say the New York Times. Ditto in the offices one worked in bosses left notes to secretaries or others again in the same "good" English they would use in any other circumstance. It is like saying someone has a wonderful singing voice but only uses it for Carnegie Hall, otherwise will sing off key because it "doesn't matter".
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-06-2015, 02:23 AM
 
6,438 posts, read 6,914,548 times
Reputation: 8743
Quote:
Originally Posted by TabulaRasa View Post
I feel the opposite way. To me, the inclusion of the additional comma looks much better.

Which is, of course, arbitrary. But it is my preference.
I don't care how the commas look. I care about the meaning of the sentence. Which of these makes sense:

"This book is dedicated to my parents, Ayn Rand and God"

"This book is dedicated to my parents, Ayn Rand, and God"

:-)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-06-2015, 02:33 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
14,229 posts, read 30,022,670 times
Reputation: 27688
If you want people to take you seriously, use correct spelling and grammar. It becomes a habit over time. If you want someone to hire you or do business with you, it is much better to appear to be intelligent and educated.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-06-2015, 03:22 AM
 
9,689 posts, read 10,009,914 times
Reputation: 1927
Here I use the `` ieSpell `` which is a easy program that you have to down load and will correct spelling on all email pages , which this forum is based on , I used this program on my computer for years and it has 95% of the words that are common , some times I have to go and find the correct spelling on line , which is rare....... and you still have to go over the letter and look or words that are correctly spelled word but not the right word ...... there is grammar programs on line if you have the time......................
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-06-2015, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Not.here
2,827 posts, read 4,339,917 times
Reputation: 2377
Some people who make corrections do it in a passive/aggressive manner meant to put down the poster and make themselves appear superior to the poster. Instead of giving a short simple, non-offending correction, they give a small dissertation. That's just ego, and it tells us something about that person's personality.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-06-2015, 06:57 AM
 
Location: New York Area
35,008 posts, read 16,972,291 times
Reputation: 30131
Quote:
Originally Posted by luzianne View Post
Exactly. I hate it when people use the excuse that it was a typo or a mistake. No, it was not; you just don't know how to spell or use grammar or punctuation properly.


I especially hate it when I am reading news stories online and they contain errors. Apparently people are graduating from journalism schools these days not having those basic skills (and no copy editor?) and that is just wrong.
I agree. I may be a little looser, such as ending a sentence with the word "it" or other less-than-tight grammar. But in general I try to write in an intelligent manner. Even though my IQ is 79.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Psychology

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top