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Old 10-09-2017, 03:08 PM
 
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I know it sounds like a topic for Politics and Controversies but, after reading the article I really feel like it belongs here more. I found it a compelling read:

Why the Vegas Shooting Happened and Why Men Keep Doing This
I didn't read the article, but that title...

Only one twisted sick man did this. Only one.
We may never know the why.
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Old 10-09-2017, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Redwood City, CA
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There is a definite pattern and while men hate facing this, the truth is what it is. According to public health studies, women actually have more psychological issues but as we can all see they seldom if ever lead to violence, at least the kind that takes so many lives.
There's a reason why women are rarely mass murderers.

It's really hard to find a stylish and flattering clock tower.
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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No one should form a judgment on this event until a more complete portrait of the shooter and his motives emerges (and given the 'false flags" posted, and debunked in the earliest reports of the tragedy, and the obvious divisions and partisanship within the nation, that may prove to be a very tall order).

We don't know, for example, if Paddock's personal politics/worldview had changed in recent days, or had changed drastically, or what media sources might have influenced that outlook, or whether his behavior might have been affected by a physical condition (as was possibly the case with Charles Whitman).

The jury may be out on this one for a long time.

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Old 10-09-2017, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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My post wasn't intended to revolve around that issue alone; the point is, that as a man approaches and passes more of life's milestones, he is far more likely to be "forced out to pasture" -- stereotyped and patronized by a "system" driven (in part) by mild feminism (and very much in synch with the Societal Gospel of Political Correctness). And as the slights -- real or perceived (which a lot of us are savvy enough to recognize) -- increase, so does the resentment.

The problem has its origins in the single most prominent societal change of our times, and big Brother and Sister aren't going to be able to put the evil genie back into his/her(?) bottle.
Which shooters seem to you to exemplify your theory?

In my lifetime as a female I've never noticed any favoritism for females, even in a mostly female field. I really don't understand your point about a system driven by feminism. This is no system I am familiar with.

I do agree that our society has changed and coninues to do so. I think the single biggest change of the Twentieth Century was birth control, which has allowed women some of the freedoms and responsibilities previously reserved for men. While I know that some men are aggrieved about this, I fail to understand why this would force them to do mass killings. To prove their manhood?

And why would perceived slights against men produce worse repercussions than the millennia of slights against women?
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Old 10-10-2017, 12:28 AM
 
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Can't read the whole article 'cause I got to go to work, but about the first half of it is right on target. The problem is we want to erode every single risk we have over our children (the "letting to run around and play" aspect is where I had to stop), "overprotecting" them and we lead them to live unnatural lives--thus sometimes this is the outcome, mentally deranged adults.

People might call it bosh, but part of the solution can be rewinding the clocks back a few decades (not sure how to do that??) when children were allowed to roam around and parents took the risks; and cut all this medication crap out, for almost everyone. Kids are going to be kids, parents. You just got to deal with them acting up. Most likely, if your child is on an ADHD medication, HE/SHE does NOT need it. I don't care what crap you come up with as the excuse: "Well, you do NOT what to see what a HORROR he/she is without it!" He or she is a child. They will act like children. You need to be a responsible parent and try to raise him or her without the "help" of medication--because it is going to have a DRASTIC result on their lives and possibly the lives of others.
Ehm, you missed the part where Paddock was in his 60s?? I highly doubt his childhood was the overscheduled, overprotected, overmedicated one like you're describing. This is a fairly recent phenomenon, last twenty years maybe. Pretty sure he grew up in the fairly free-range, 'be home for dinner' way most of his generation did. So nice guess but no.

IMO, this is not something recent or extraordinary. Mental illness has always existed, and in some cases it will lead to this kind of tragedy. Being able to easily access weapons, and having mass media and Internet to publicize it all over the world (and for others to copy), tensions between different groups, make it appear like these things are happening that much more frequently. I'm not sure if they actually are.
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Old 10-10-2017, 12:51 AM
 
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I know it sounds like a topic for Politics and Controversies but, after reading the article I really feel like it belongs here more. I found it a compelling read:

Why the Vegas Shooting Happened and Why Men Keep Doing This
You must recognize that the author, Charlie Hoehn, is not a psychologist and nothing in his biography indicates he is equipped to analyze this situation or any other. At best, what he presents is simply his opinion; to present it as fact exposes him for what he is - a huckster. For others to alter their course in the slightest based on his writings, believing them to be centered on anything other than his singular opinion, does a great disservice. For them to alter their course based on the possibility that even his published "opinion" is a fiction is a tragedy.
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Old 10-10-2017, 04:25 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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I do believe he was trying to top the last record in Orlando of 49 killed, and the next mass killer will have to top 59.

He could have set a record never to be broken again, if he had used all his bomb making material, in his car and his house in Mesquite, and brought down one of those 3-4-5,000 room casino hotels on the Strip, with, at any time, 3,4,5,6, or 7,000 people staying in one of those hotels. That would have even broke the record of 9/11!

So one big thank you to Stephen Paddock, you didn't bring down the Mandalay Bay hotel for a grand finale!
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Old 10-10-2017, 04:47 AM
 
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We agree that mass shooter are cowardly people.
But you are not in agreeance that stalkers are cowardly people?

Your response makes you seem like a stalker in denial lol.
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Old 10-10-2017, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Texas
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And why would perceived slights against men produce worse repercussions than the millennia of slights against women?
And this is what I wondered after reading the article.
You want to talk about being treated like total crap? Look at 40000 years of women's history.
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Old 10-10-2017, 04:56 AM
 
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We agree that mass shooter are cowardly people.
But if they are in the army and they shoot the enemy we give them a medal for their bravery.
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