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a troll is just away to win an argument, you can be caught in a lie and the only way to save fate is to call the other guy a troll
well....well.... youre a troll.
its the same as being called a racist, if yoou cant win an argument they automatically call you a racist, a word that cant be defended
I'm guessing that your of the opinion that the idea of trolling is overused. Perhaps an admission of guilt?
Sometimes it is many times it isn't. When a person post a comment that has nothing to do with the topic of the thread especially when the comment is incendiary, most reasonable people can conclude that yes that person is trolling. Even if their comment is their honest viewpoint. Most people recognize that it isn't what they are their at that moment to discuss so there's really no rational reason to make such a statement other then to garner attention or to try and disrupt discussion.
Context obviously matters. If, in the previous comment, you had stated that, "black people are incapable of making an informed political decision and shouldn't vote", you might be racist. Just sayin'.
Just speaking in general, not about you specifically.
i did? those are awful big words for me, half I cannoot spell, I dont remember that statement. i could be wrong, just dont remember.
I really think you got me confuse with someone else. So next I guess im going be called a troll
Your logic is hypocritical. In one breath, you claim that nobody (me especially ) has the right to judge what is right/wrong or bad/good, and in the next, you're arguing that we have moderators who do just that. What makes them morally or intellectually superior to make such a judgment? Who bestowed moral authority on them, other than the corporate entity that runs this site?
And while I understand your concern about someone making proclamations about what our morals should be, you can't sit here and tell me that WE DON'T ALREADY DO THAT as a society by way of laws and civil rights. Are you telling me that you'd sit idly by and watch a gay couple get harassed and taunted by a waitress in a restaurant who thinks homosexuality is a sin? Are you going to cower away if you see an African American being assaulted simply because they are black? Are you going to pretend to be oblivious to hate, harmful stereotypes, and misguided generalizations about entire populations of people?
Now, it's none of my business about what you choose to believe is morally right and morally wrong, and how you respond to such issues when they arise. Maybe it's your MO to lay low and mind your own business when others are targeted and assaulted. But I'm not one to bury my head in the sand when others spew hateful messages that are based in ignorance and only serve to harm others who are simply different. I'm not going to cower away when someone is spreading hate, I'm going to challenge it. And frankly, I believe you and any other informed person should, too. Otherwise, what is the point of your years of education if you don't even use it for bettering society?
I'm not trying to pontificate on trivial things like which career is the right career, which car is the best car, or what laundry detergent everyone should use. I'm talking about speaking up against hateful messaging and actions that only serve to harm other people. Other than that, you'll never see me here judging or insulting other people for simply being different (i.e. in ways they either can't control or that do not harm others). You'll never see me create a thread about how this group or that group is the worst thing to ever happen to society. I'm not the one creating threads using negative/ignorant stereotypes about how women are emotionally unstable, or how Baby Boomers are technologically inept, or how Millennials are whiny and entitled, etc., but it seems like I'm the one who gets ganged up on and attacked when I say "Hey, that's wrong". Admittedly, some people seem more concerned about those challenging hate and negative stereotypes than they are with those who propagate the negative stereotypes. Why?
So maybe instead of focusing all your criticisms on me, maybe you should start focusing it on the people who spend their time posting hateful, misinformed messages about different groups of people just to be mean. Frankly, I think it'd be more productive than attacking a person who's advocating that we stop being nasty to each other and spreading misinformation that is meant to harm a specific group's reputation.
Do me (and yourself) a favor. Go back and re-read your post which I quoted and attempt to do so with the goal of imagining how it comes across to someone else.
Do me (and yourself) a favor. Go back and re-read your post which I quoted and attempt to do so with the goal of imagining how it comes across to someone else.
While I don't understand why you can't just tell me what bothers you (instead of making me and others try to figure you out), let's examine my comment...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Left-handed
While I agree with your sentiments, I also feel that misinformed, ignorant, demeaning, etc. people need to be shut down. When you allow people to spread bad ideas or bad messaging, it can lead to dangerous results. They can catch on with vulnerable crowds, and they will continue to spread. Ignorance, malice, bigotry, etc. need to be disincintivized by calling it out for what it is. I feel that it is our obligation to society to squash the idiocracy so that it doesn’t spread.
So, what triggered you exactly?
Was it the use of the term "idiocracy"?
If you want to be mad at somebody, be mad at Mike Judge. He coined the term in his comedic film, sharing the same name, that predicts an imminent intellectual crisis in America that leads to its severe decline.
Was it the declaration that "misinformed, ignorant, demeaning, etc. people need to be shut down"?
Question: Do you think it's better for society to let ignorance and hate spread?
Was it the statement that the "spread of bad ideas or bad messaging can lead to dangerous results"?
Question: Have you heard of Nazi Germany and fascism? Do you think some of those citizens don't regret not squashing the bigotry and hatred towards certain groups when they had the power to?
Was it about how vulnerable people are susceptible to such messaging?
Question: How do you think that malicious ideologies catch on? Who do you think is recruited to groups like Stormfront, ISIS, and the Taliban, even from within our own borders?
Were you upset that I called for disincentivizing ignorance, malice, and bigotry?
Would you rather us provide a safe space for these ideas instead so that they can continue to fester and spread?
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Final question: Do you even know what you're upset about? Are you upset that someone made declarative, bold statements about this subject? Because as far as I know, most people agree that ignorance and hate is a cancer on society. Do you not agree? You seem to be fine with un-elected moderators making these calls. The only difference I can determine is that you don't feel comfortable with one ordinary person speaking out on it, because the bold statements make you uncomfortable because it comes off as arrogance and hubris.
Last edited by Left-handed; 12-02-2017 at 04:52 PM..
I'm not trying to pontificate on trivial things like which career is the right career, which car is the best car, or what laundry detergent everyone should use. I'm talking about speaking up against hateful messaging and actions that only serve to harm other people. Other than that, you'll never see me here judging or insulting other people for simply being different (i.e. in ways they either can't control or that do not harm others). You'll never see me create a thread about how this group or that group is the worst thing to ever happen to society. I'm not the one creating threads using negative/ignorant stereotypes about how women are emotionally unstable, or how Baby Boomers are technologically inept, or how Millennials are whiny and entitled, etc., but it seems like I'm the one who gets ganged up on and attacked when I say "Hey, that's wrong". Admittedly, some people seem more concerned about those challenging hate and negative stereotypes than they are with those who propagate the negative stereotypes. Why?
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Except, for instance, your uncle who you excoriated earlier in this thread.
We all have blind spots and biases; preaching that we don't is counterproductive.
Except, for instance, your uncle who you excoriated earlier in this thread.
We all have blind spots and biases; preaching that we don't is counterproductive.
Do you know anything about my relationship with my uncle? No, you don't.
I merely used him as an example of someone who has been extremely judgmental and hostile towards me (and others in our family) without cause and in a completely hypocritical way. I've never done anything to him besides be his nephew. On the rare occasions I have ever shared an opinion with him, he has insulted and demeaned me. When I was just a child, he also verbally and physically assaulted me.
Please stop trying to twist my words to drive your own narrative, especially taking words from another thread and topic out of context. That has nothing to do with this topic whatsoever. You're confusing the "Millennial" thread with this one.
Once again, we have an example of taking something completely out of context, completely irrelevant, and derailing a discussion. I don't mind the use of external examples in discussions, but make sure they're relevant to the discussion we're having. Using an example that I provided about a hypocritical uncle who has judged me and assaulted me throughout my life is not relevant here. Excoriating someone for being a bad, hurtful human being is not the problem here. In fact, I've been advocating that we need to excoriate them more for their malicious behavior.
Last edited by Left-handed; 12-02-2017 at 05:14 PM..
While I don't understand why you can't just tell me what bothers you (instead of making me and others try to figure you out), let's examine my comment...
So, what triggered you exactly?
Was it the use of the term "idiocracy"?
If you want to be mad at somebody, be mad at Mike Judge. He coined the term in his comedic film, sharing the same name, that predicts an imminent intellectual crisis in America that leads to its severe decline.
Was it the declaration that "misinformed, ignorant, demeaning, etc. people need to be shut down"?
Question: Do you think it's better for society to let ignorance and hate spread?
Was it the statement that the "spread of bad ideas or bad messaging can lead to dangerous results"?
Question: Have you heard of Nazi Germany and fascism? Do you think some of those citizens don't regret not squashing the bigotry and hatred towards certain groups when they had the power to?
Was it about how vulnerable people are susceptible to such messaging?
Question: How do you think that malicious ideologies catch on? Who do you think is recruited to groups like Stormfront, ISIS, and the Taliban, even from within our own borders?
Were you upset that I called for disincentivizing ignorance, malice, and bigotry?
Would you rather us provide a safe space for these ideas instead so that they can continue to fester and spread?
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Final question: Do you even know what you're upset about? Are you upset that someone made declarative, bold statements about this subject? Because as far as I know, most people agree that ignorance and hate is a cancer on society. Do you not agree? You seem to be fine with un-elected moderators making these calls. The only difference I can determine is that you don't feel comfortable with one ordinary person speaking out on it, because the bold statements make you uncomfortable because it comes off as arrogance and hubris.
My other post was plenty clear enough. You are just playing games here.
This thread has been cleaned up twice and has again veered off to bickering and personal attacks. It is not viable and is now closed.
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) has the right to judge what is right/wrong or bad/good, and in the next, you're arguing that we have moderators who do just that. What makes them morally or intellectually superior to make such a judgment? Who bestowed moral authority on them, other than the corporate entity that runs this site?
Especially when their post/info is outright, dead wrong.
