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It seems like the hypothetical guy should be bitter with the players for leading women on rather than with the women for being tricked.
IMO women seem to be more upset with guys lashing out about women than actual misogynists. Of course it's easier to be upset with men who complain and rant online because you can read it and they are expressing it.
The true misogynist can't be bothered to read forums. Instead he is too busy tricking women into having sex with no relationship in sight.
One actually commits the crime and gets away with it. The other complains and gets shamed for being a misogynist.
So women can sense when misogynist men are bitter but not the player playing them?
Yeah. Ever meet a sociopath? Like a legit sociopath? Someone who is able to construct an image to other people that serves a purpose, who lies with every fiber of their being, to get what they want?
Also, bitter misogynists usually out themselves. They project an aura of "I don't expect anything good from women. Prove something to me." Or else they are desperately reaching for love but ready to bite your head off at the very first sign you're not completely into them from the first moment. And there are certain words that anyone who has spent enough time on the internet, will flag someone as misogynist and/or bitter if a woman hears it.
Players don't show that they are players, until they've scored and they're ready to move on. They will act like they're completely into you, hang on your every word, do all kinds of romantic stuff and make like they could fall in love at any moment. And then, when they have what they want and they're ready to flake? They'll act like you're the one who has done something wrong and messed it up. True players might not actually BE sociopaths but they act like them.
And sometimes, they are one and the same. I have heard guys who played woman after woman get to the point where they don't believe in love, don't think any woman is worthy of commitment, because of how they've been able to use them so easily, and they kind of hate women, too. I've also know players who loved women, but just didn't know how to get the lifestyle they wanted of having sex with many women, unless they "played the game." All kinds of people in the wide world.
Anyways, what I was talking about earlier with the mommy issues, rejection, and stuff like that, my point was that plenty of times a person goes through stuff that isn't their fault that shapes their mindset. You can work past that, but not everyone is in a place where they are ready to. Also, the reason I said "mommy issues" and did not gender neutral it, is that a.) we were talking about misogynist men, from the outset, no? and b.) we've all heard the term "daddy issues" and that's sort of a given but not what we're talking about here. Point was more to say anything from the relationship modeled by their parents, to how they related to their Mom, to what behavior they role model from Dad (if Dad's even around)... All sorts of things can create the wiring that leads to difficulty in relating to others in adulthood.
IMO women seem to be more upset with guys lashing out about women than actual misogynists. Of course it's easier to be upset with men who complain and rant online because you can read it and they are expressing it.
The true misogynist can't be bothered to read forums. Instead he is too busy tricking women into having sex with no relationship in sight.
One actually commits the crime and gets away with it. The other complains and gets shamed for being a misogynist.
I don't think you've got to be a misogynist to not want a relationship.
The crime is in tricking women into thinking you're building one, when all you're doing is enjoying casual sex. It's 2018 for crying out loud, there are women in the world who like casual sex, there are ways to do it without telling a chick you love her and want to be with her.
It's ok to want sex with no serious commitment. It's not ok to lie about it. But I think some guys don't know how to be honest and also successful in this. I've known a few who were, though.
Well, to be perfectly honest there is a whole lot more misandry displayed on this very forum and society in general. I wonder how well a thread titled "misandrist women who dont know why men ignore them", would do on this forum? Would probably be shot down within 15 minutes, because of whining of multiple posters and reports to the mods. Heck, I just learned yesterday that talk about MGTOW is banned on this forum. But lets make sure we can talk about why men are misogynists and how bad that is. Ridiculous.
Just got done reading a news story about a 38 year old female teacher that was having sex with 6 different 13-14 year old boys. 99% of comments below were wanna be macho men high fiving each other, how they wish they had a teacher like that. Its ok that 6 minors were being regularly raped by an adult sexual predator. Had the genders been reversed, same clueless people would be calling for male teachers execution. So much for your misogyny theory.
I don't think you've got to be a misogynist to not want a relationship.
The crime is in tricking women into thinking you're building one, when all you're doing is enjoying casual sex. It's 2018 for crying out loud, there are women in the world who like casual sex, there are ways to do it without telling a chick you love her and want to be with her.
It's ok to want sex with no serious commitment. It's not ok to lie about it. But I think some guys don't know how to be honest and also successful in this. I've known a few who were, though.
its actually not a crime at all to trick someone into sleeping with you. both men and women get tricked into all, types of situation all the time.
Franky, John, I'm expecting this thread to get locked at any moment, and have been since the very first post. We get way, WAY too much gender bashing in this forum. Seems almost difficult to have conversations without it some days.
My thinking is often, "flip the coin." If I find myself upset at something men do, I can always find something on the other side that women do that runs a direct parallel to that. We are all products of our experiences. It is far easier when one has tried to have relationships most of one's life, with members of the opposite gender, to get frustrated or angry or bitter towards them when things aren't working out. And I've noticed there seem to be things that men do, towards women, that other men don't even realize men do, because those men aren't doing it, to them. Such as men thinking that "real men" aren't emotional because the men they know don't show emotionality often around them. Whereas women who have been in relationships with men have seen plenty of male emotion. That's just an example.
It's easy to get a skewed perspective, no matter who you are.
its actually not a crime at all to trick someone into sleeping with you. both men and women get tricked into all, types of situation all the time.
No, it's not a crime. It is an act showing questionable ethics to trick someone and use them. Whether it is a man or a woman doing it, and regardless of what tricks they are using and what they're trying to gain from it. Deliberately manipulating someone for your own personal gain, knowing they will likely be hurt in the process and not caring one bit about that...is a cruel thing to do.
Stop acting like everyone here is painting women as angels who do no wrong. No one is. That very simply was not the subject of the thread.
Just got done reading a news story about a 38 year old female teacher that was having sex with 6 different 13-14 year old boys. 99% of comments below were wanna be macho men high fiving each other, how they wish they had a teacher like that. Its ok that 6 minors were being regularly raped by an adult sexual predator. Had the genders been reversed, same clueless people would be calling for male teachers execution. So much for your misogyny theory.
But, as in your teacher example, a lot of misandry online and elsewhere comes from other men, not from women. It's men who are celebrating a boy being abused by a female authority figure. It's men who shame their peers for not being "real men" if they're not into cars and sports and porn. It's men who claim other men can't show any emotion other than rage or else they're weak. This is all sad and problematic, but it's generally not women who are leading the charge and deserve the blame for it.
Yeah, im sorry SS for disrupting your man hating discussion. That one is welcome and fine by forum standards. Being a misogynist is a response. Men CHOOSE not to be emotional, because women and men will hold it against them. THere are bitter men and women for a variety of different reasons.
No, it's not a crime. It is an act showing questionable ethics to trick someone and use them. Whether it is a man or a woman doing it, and regardless of what tricks they are using and what they're trying to gain from it. Deliberately manipulating someone for your own personal gain, knowing they will likely be hurt in the process and not caring one bit about that...is a cruel thing to do.
Stop acting like everyone here is painting women as angels who do no wrong. No one is. That very simply was not the subject of the thread.
Well Im glad you agree that you made a mistake by calling it a "crime". You are welcome.
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