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Old 09-14-2018, 04:25 PM
 
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If he has any love for his wife, even if he has been abusive, why? Or is that the answer? He doesn't love her?

If he doesn't love her, if he hates her, why hold on to her?
When a man holds on to a woman, he views this as his connection. However, it is an interaction. It is an interaction rather than a connection because it is the act or behavior that is important. They see it as a sense of loyalty. The relationship probably started with him doing something nice for her and expected something in return later. Again, the act or behavior was more important than who he did it for.

The woman plays a role in this by confusing his attempts to interact as a romantic connection. She later senses the disconnect in the relationship. Keep in mind the roles can be reversed.

That is why he can claim he loves her but then does things that don't look loving. The connection was never there. The interaction was confused as love.
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Old 09-14-2018, 04:31 PM
 
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I don't understand this either but I think it happens to some men who can't see a life without the life they had with wife/kids
After a divorce the men always get blamed regardless of any situation that actually happened

Its also traumatizing when good men get a divorce and the wife starts making up stories to take away the kids


I've heard plenty of stories where men lost everything and had to live in some apartment while the govt takes most of what he earns, to make it worse the mother takes the kids and says the dad has another life, wife/kids and is living well without them but clearly it isn't true
I have suggested that men should have an organization to turn to like Women in Distress. But when I share this idea, almost everyone agrees that a man would never go to a place like that.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:14 PM
 
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I have suggested that men should have an organization to turn to like Women in Distress. But when I share this idea, almost everyone agrees that a man would never go to a place like that.
It can be difficult to get some men just to go to a medical doctor. It is often difficult to get many guys to go to marriage counseling. Maybe it is an ego thing or they feel it would be admitting a weakness or they just don’t want to “look like the bad guy.” I don’t understand it.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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Seriously? People have trouble judging a man who kills his wife and kids? Because we know that's not self-defense or any other defendable reason. And don't for a second doubt he's the guilty one - no one else has motive in these kinds of cases. He's guilty and I have no problem saying that.
I am not judging the victim, whom I thought the previous poster was referring to.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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When a man holds on to a woman, he views this as his connection. However, it is an interaction. It is an interaction rather than a connection because it is the act or behavior that is important. They see it as a sense of loyalty. The relationship probably started with him doing something nice for her and expected something in return later. Again, the act or behavior was more important than who he did it for.

The woman plays a role in this by confusing his attempts to interact as a romantic connection. She later senses the disconnect in the relationship. Keep in mind the roles can be reversed.

That is why he can claim he loves her but then does things that don't look loving. The connection was never there. The interaction was confused as love.
I have to admit that I do not understand your post.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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I don't understand this either but I think it happens to some men who can't see a life without the life they had with wife/kids
After a divorce the men always get blamed regardless of any situation that actually happened

Its also traumatizing when good men get a divorce and the wife starts making up stories to take away the kids


I've heard plenty of stories where men lost everything and had to live in some apartment while the govt takes most of what he earns, to make it worse the mother takes the kids and says the dad has another life, wife/kids and is living well without them but clearly it isn't true
Yes this terrible thing dies not happen, but I have heard of cases where husband successfully got custody.

At any rate this is not what I am asking.

Think of the cases where woman flees in terror, husband stalks and kills her. Or she files for divorce, and he kills her. He might kill the kids, if there are any, too. And he might kill himself. That’s what I am talking about.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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I have suggested that men should have an organization to turn to like Women in Distress. But when I share this idea, almost everyone agrees that a man would never go to a place like that.
Right - men see talking as pointless...take action...kill someone...much more effective.
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Old 09-14-2018, 07:37 PM
 
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I have to admit that I do not understand your post.
No problem. Another way to see it is that men may see their actions as most important.

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Right - men see talking as pointless...take action...kill someone...much more effective.
Talking can be pointless if there is blaming going around.
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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But why kill your wife? How does that fix anything, especially if you then kill yourself?
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:29 PM
 
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But why kill your wife? How does that fix anything, especially if you then kill yourself?
It's not a matter of 'fixing' but rather controlling. It is a tragedy. Right now at work there is a woman getting a divorce from a man who we think would do the unthinkable. It's scary. He tells her that couples work through the troubles they are going through so he wonders why she is divorcing him. He abused her and the kids.
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