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Old 01-25-2019, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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Well as said before, people with ethics. As said before, consider the player in the flicks and what they are giving up. Don't they deserve a semi honest market at least instead of their work being bootlegged?


Now that is said from a few years ago; I don't know where things stand with those that let you download today for free.
Is that still how they're being paid? Don't they just get a set fee upfront? Are you saying they get a percentage of sales? We're not talking about films seen in theaters.
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Old 01-25-2019, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Is that still how they're being paid? Don't they just get a set fee upfront? Are you saying they get a percentage of sales? We're not talking about films seen in theaters.

But in a way we are talking about films shown in theaters for I have seen the classics on some of these sites shown for free download, usually with the front credits edited off. With such presentations, I am extremely dubious about their legality.


As to how they are getting paid, I have no clue. As that should they be paid, well, doesn't everyone expect to be paid for what they do?
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Old 01-25-2019, 08:34 AM
 
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But in a way we are talking about films shown in theaters for I have seen the classics on some of these sites shown for free download, usually with the front credits edited off. With such presentations, I am extremely dubious about their legality.


As to how they are getting paid, I have no clue. As that should they be paid, well, doesn't everyone expect to be paid for what they do?
Exactly so mostly irrelevant....I'm not watching the "classics" from the 70's through xx's and I'd say that's very much in the minority of what's being watched currently. Most of what you see now is amateur which by definition is unpaid.
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Old 01-25-2019, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Why would anyone buy porn? Women aren't that stupid with their money....I guess some guys would pay though.
Well aside from the notion that it's just any random folks getting their pork on that will do the trick...since that's not necessarily the case for everyone...

1. Sometimes one might be seeking a specific kind of content, and finding quality videos of it reliably can be a cumbersome process on the free sites. To be honest, if I found one thing I really liked, I'd rather simply pay for it than spend hours and hours looking for it, if it isn't mainstream or common. Like much else in life, it's a question of time or money, money being little but a proxy for time for many of us anyways.
2. Some people are fans of specific actors or actresses. I can imagine paying for content for such reasons.
3. The site my boyfriend paid to subscribe to for a while, is actually run by people we know from conventions who are educators in our kink community and we both feel pretty good about supporting their endeavors. They are cool people. We like them. It makes us happy to help them be successful.
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:16 AM
 
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Well I mentioned before about how when I go to sites to watch foreign movies that are hard to get in North America, that I have to wait for advertisement where women are selling themselves online it seems. But you don't see goodlooking men, looking at the camera, selling themselves saying Hi would you women like to party, etc.

Is that because women prefer to ask guys they know for sex, or rather ask a stranger in person, where as men are just more comfortable responding to online advertisements for sex?
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Well I mentioned before about how when I go to sites to watch foreign movies that are hard to get in North America, that I have to wait for advertisement where women are selling themselves online it seems. But you don't see goodlooking men, looking at the camera, selling themselves saying Hi would you women like to party, etc.

Is that because women prefer to ask guys they know for sex, or rather ask a stranger in person, where as men are just more comfortable responding to online advertisements for sex?
That's a bigger question in itself. Men use sex workers much more than women do. Men go to strip clubs much more than women do. Yeah, sure, there are many Magic Mike or Chippendales shows for women, but women generally don't go by themselves, and it's not so much a sexual outlet as pure entertainment with friends and drinks.
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Old 01-25-2019, 11:15 AM
 
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Exactly so mostly irrelevant....I'm not watching the "classics" from the 70's through xx's and I'd say that's very much in the minority of what's being watched currently. Most of what you see now is amateur which by definition is unpaid.

I rather think the work of Jennifer Ketcham (and it is not unpaid for she wrote about in her book) and Nina Hartley is hardly unpaid. That of Claire Evans certainly involved money, one way or another. Allora Ashlyn is more pro than amateur.


I think once you have made a name for yourself, now or then, you are certainly making money at it.


As far as the amateur where people aren't getting paid.......well, the lack of quality certainly does show.
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Old 01-25-2019, 12:46 PM
 
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Well as far as amateur goes, my friend's prefer amateur, and I don't know why because the acting is so bad, as well as the editing, so do some people actually prefer it compared to ones where the filmmakers actually make more of an effort?
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Old 01-25-2019, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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One thing I notice is that there are people who will either put little clips of free stuff out there into the world, but if you want like a whole long video of them, you're probably going to have to pay for it (or sign up at a subscription site)...and also, people who make a big name in porn but then are making money with other revenue streams.

Nina Hartley for instance, I have met. She goes to conventions, she is an educator. I think they pay her to be there. And there is probably money to be made in some of these dramatic documentaries, some of the pros have written books. Good ol' passive income!

But like, even though you have to pay to "support the site" in order to see videos on FL, for instance...the posters of the vids don't get any money from them. If they are hoping to monetize somehow, they're often selling fetish gear or they link to sites where they charge, or they are doing some kind of sugar or fin-Dom setup. There are many variations. But although most of what is there is strictly amateur, there's one lady I'm thinking of...can't remember her name...but she does these beautiful minimalist videos, set in like a house in the mountains or the forest, you can see evergreens and snow outside the full length windows, and white walls, hardwood floors, white sheets and bedding. No sleazy motel setup, no cheapo "warehouse" or "casting couch" looking set. It's really classy. And it looks so...clean. Pristine. As porn goes, it's damn near art. The production values there are very high, even though the content is being offered at no profit to the creators. I'm sure there are links with ways to give her money though.

I actually really enjoy watching her videos, but not because it turns me on, just because it's all so elegant, so beautifully done.
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Old 01-25-2019, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Well I mentioned before about how when I go to sites to watch foreign movies that are hard to get in North America, that I have to wait for advertisement where women are selling themselves online it seems. But you don't see goodlooking men, looking at the camera, selling themselves saying Hi would you women like to party, etc.

Is that because women prefer to ask guys they know for sex, or rather ask a stranger in person, where as men are just more comfortable responding to online advertisements for sex?
There are a number of reasons. No man can sell himself to my interest with just his looks for instance. I've never in my life laid eyes on a man and wanted to have sex with him just because of his appearance.

So for someone like me, that ad would need a smart looking man saying interesting or witty things. Preferably in a Scottish accent. In fact I'd say desperate men should try and cultivate cool accents. There. There's your advice on getting laid, and I didn't even charge you anything. Binge watch Monty Python until you develop a British accent and see if that doesn't help.

I saw a male stripper once, at a friend's birthday party. Did not turn me on at all. It was ridiculous. Banana hammock all flopping around. The sort of thing that is sexy to men, just isn't always sexy to women.

But in all seriousness, "would you women like to party?" Like, we are used to the fact that the only reason some guy would be trying to get us "to party" is to be bait for guys or there for guys' enjoyment, like we ARE the commodity. If you don't believe or understand this, go look at how Swingers' clubs operate, k? While I'm not into swinging, I'm involved with a club that has Swingers' nights. We charge $50 for a single man at the door, $45 for couples, and $5 for single women. And even with that outrageous price structure, we also have to enforce a ratio of 3 single guys to every woman or couple that comes in the door, and we ALWAYS have a waiting list of men who are turned away at the door. We take their number, and they can go hang out at a restaurant or bar nearby and we call when their name comes up after another woman comes in the door.

Most of the club leadership HATES these policies. We try to be inclusive of all gender identities, and polyfolk, and the lot...but if we don't do something like this, it becomes a "sausage fest" real quick and then the guys aren't happy either.

So yeah, when it comes to sexual engagement of any kind with strangers, men are more into that idea than women are. And those "hey fella, want to come party?" ads are generally naught but some kind of a scam, and women are not desperate enough to fall for whatever it is.
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