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Old 04-08-2019, 08:40 PM
 
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...they don't seem to have a problem when someone they like or support is accused of doing something illicit or wrong. And these aren't people they are tied to in any significant way, but celebrities, politicians, etc. they observe from afar. Their excuse is generally, "Well, they all do this or that; they're all criminals, so why bother with this particular person". When it's someone they don't like or support, then it's often "off with their head", and they go on and on about how dirty or crooked they are.

Since I feel like they did a relatively good job of instilling strong moral values of right and wrong, this is perplexing to me. Have you encountered people like this in your life? How do they, or others like them, possess such a contradictory moral stance (i.e. "it's okay if we like you, but it's not if we don't like you")? How do they reconcile these attitudes with their own moral compass?
I think this kind of thing is universal. There is no simple right vs wrong. And people are often accused who did nothing wrong, while others get away with it.

No one is perfectly innocent.

There are so many sexual accusations now days. Ever since Bill Clinton but getting worse. You would almost have to be a monk or a nun to go into politics now.

And think of all the crazy things that probably always went on, but were hidden from the public?

And, of course, everyone is biased in many ways.
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:51 PM
 
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"Intellectual" sophisticated people aren't necessarily any more praiseworthy, morally or ethically superior, or even capable of providing a better example than those who are not. In fact, many times just the opposite. They can often be crueler, more devious, and manage to get away with wrongdoing a little more often.
Thank you for posting this. I have noticed the same thing, many times, over my long life. The OP seems to feel superior to his parents because he is college educated. This happens a lot.
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Old 04-08-2019, 11:41 PM
 
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Thank you for posting this. I have noticed the same thing, many times, over my long life. The OP seems to feel superior to his parents because he is college educated. This happens a lot.
Wow, nowhere have I said or implied that. My criticism is that my dad believes it’s okay to be a gropey, corrupt slime bag because it’s his guy and “they all do it” (his actual quote). He did not raise us to support or look up to slime bags. So there is no reason why he should be supporting them either, or that kind of behavior. I don’t appreciate the snarky remark about how you think I feel about myself or others. I will tell you directly how I feel, there is no reason for you to make assumptions about me. You know nothing about me or my father.
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Old 04-08-2019, 11:55 PM
 
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Wow, nowhere have I said or implied that. My criticism is that my dad believes it’s okay to be a gropey, corrupt slime bag because it’s his guy and “they all do it” (his actual quote). He did not raise us to support or look up to slime bags. So there is no reason why he should be supporting them either, or that kind of behavior. I don’t appreciate the snarky remark about how you think I feel about myself or others. I will tell you directly how I feel, there is no reason for you to make assumptions about me. You know nothing about me or my father.
Well, we know what you’ve posted - it’s your opinion he supports gropey, corrupt slime bags. Whatever the disagreement you are having, maybe it’s time to accept your parents aren’t perfect (and it is what it is).
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Old 04-09-2019, 12:04 AM
 
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Well, we know what you’ve posted - it’s your opinion he supports gropey, corrupt slime bags. Whatever the disagreement you are having, maybe it’s time to accept your parents aren’t perfect (and it is what it is).
Not being perfect is making mistakes as a result of not knowing better. Failing to plan for our futures as children is them not being perfect parents. Defiantly supporting abhorrent behavior from unsavory characters is a bit disturbing especially coming from someone that is supposed to be a role model in your life. Needless to say, it’s disappointing to me. I am disappointed with him.
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Old 04-09-2019, 12:07 AM
 
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Not being perfect is making mistakes as a result of not knowing better. Defiantly supporting abhorrent behavior from unsavory characters is a bit disturbing especially coming from someone that is supposed to be a role model in your life. Needless to say, it’s disappointing to me.
I understand the disappointment - but you are an adult now, yes? He no longer is your ‘role model’.
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Old 04-09-2019, 12:11 AM
 
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I understand the disappointment - but you are an adult now, yes? He no longer is your ‘role model’.
While this is true, I am still coming to terms with this. It’s not as if I grew up in an abusive household. Then it would be much easier to write them off. This is a little more complicated due to the fact that I believe in their heart of hearts they are both good people. They are just misguided.
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Old 04-09-2019, 12:13 AM
 
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While this is true, I am still coming to terms with this. It’s not as if I grew up in an abusive household. Then it would be much easier to write them off. This is a little more complicated due to the fact that I believe in their heart of hearts they are both good people. They are just misguided.
Who said anything about writing them off?
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Old 04-09-2019, 12:20 AM
 
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Who said anything about writing them off?
I meant it would be easy to write them off if they were downright awful people. In this situation, I am finding it difficult to reconcile my love for them while knowing the awful things they support. I believe they are good people, I just think they are misguided. I’m sure they might feel the same if they found out I was supporting some neo nazi agenda or group. They’d be like, “we love you, but what the hell are you doing?”
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Old 04-09-2019, 12:32 AM
 
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I meant it would be easy to write them off if they were downright awful people. In this situation, I am finding it difficult to reconcile my love for them while knowing the awful things they support. I believe they are good people, I just think they are misguided. I’m sure they might feel the same if they found out I was supporting some neo nazi agenda or group. They’d be like, “we love you, but what the hell are you doing?”
Well, trying to ‘reconcile your love for them’ sounds like a completely different topic - because that’s less about them (and becomes more about you).
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