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Old 04-13-2019, 09:10 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TabulaRasa View Post
Nah.

I strongly suspect that within the next two revisions of the DSM, the "gender dysphoria" designation will have gone the way of homosexuality as a dx.

Pathologizing people's gender identity will eventually be seen as archaic as pathologizing people's sexual orientations, and it will be one of those things future clinicians look back on in horror, and say, "I can't believe that was actually done," when they study the DSM-5.
Nope, sorry.

I'm gay and the two are not the same.

I'm sure there are a few cases of transgenderism that are truly based in biology, but many are not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ZMernnK40

 
Old 04-13-2019, 09:21 PM
 
Location: MD
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I know plenty of trans people who are perfectly happy, i.e., they don't have any deeper mental health issues or previous trauma. They wanted to change gender, so they did, and (other than appearing slightly masculine) they are living perfectly normal lives without any further issues or problems with their mental or physical health.


Therefore, the article of the OP (despite being seemingly reasonable and well-researched at first sight) is merely a product of ignorance, created by someone who could never actually understand the thought-processes or desires of the trans population, and has seldom interacted with them on a personal level. (In fact, most of the posts of that website seem to be nonsensical ramblings of a far right propaganda machine, and should not be taken seriously.)
 
Old 04-13-2019, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, AK
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There’s no question that social justice warriors aside it’s a mental health issue when someone thinks their “true” identity is the opposite of their gender. It’s why almost every trans person has been diagnosed with mental health issues. It’s actually very sad, I feel sorry for them as I do anyone struggling with their mental health, but I don’t take them seriously any more than I’d take someone with any other mental issue seriously. They have problems they need to work out and it’s not helping to be “accepting” of their issues rather than trying to fix them.
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Poppycock.
What JonathanB said is the absolute truth. It's a mental health issue and when these people are encouraged to endure irreversible surgical mutilation and use drugs to inhibit normal biological development the problem is only compounded because the underlying condition isn't being properly treated. No wonder there is a 41 percent suicide attempt rate. Your gender is determined by your DNA and chromosomes. There is no changing that. The problem isn't below the neckline, it's above it. That's why the proper psychiatric and psychological treatment and therapy is so important. And that's no poppycock.
 
Old 04-13-2019, 09:52 PM
 
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What JonathanB said is the absolute truth. It's a mental health issue and when these people are encouraged to endure irreversible surgical mutilation and use drugs to inhibit normal biological development the problem is only compounded because the underlying condition isn't being properly treated. No wonder there is a 41 percent suicide attempt rate. Your gender is determined by your DNA and chromosomes. There is no changing that. The problem isn't below the neckline, it's above it. That's why the proper psychiatric and psychological treatment and therapy is so important. And that's no poppycock.
Good luck.
 
Old 04-13-2019, 10:06 PM
 
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Unfortunately your first link is not a bipartisan group of researchers and in fact considered a fringe hate group
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...-pediatricians

Your other link is religious based.

The other group transgender trend are not researchers but a group of parents and have faced v
Critisism and had their crowdfunding suspended.

I was hoping you’d share independent peer reviewed bipartisan research these are serious questions and concerns that require qualified research by people who are not blinded by dogma or left wing or right wing beliefs.
 
Old 04-13-2019, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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I find this OP offensive. I don't think transgender is a disorder. To me, this is as Neanderthal a way of thinking, as when American scientists actually believed that black people didn't feel pain the same way white people did.

Just because someone is different, it doesn't mean they have a disease.
 
Old 04-13-2019, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Nope, sorry.

I'm gay and the two are not the same.
Homosexuality and transgender are not the same? You don't say.

Yeah, didn't claim they were.

My point was that just as the DSM's earlier editions pathologized being gay, and the diagnostic community has since come to acknowledge being on the wrong side of history on that one, it's exceedingly likely that clinical pathologizing of trans issues will eventually meet the same fate in future diagnostic circles.
 
Old 04-13-2019, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Too the OP:

There is no such thing as Transgender Disorder, but Gender Dysphoria that involves a conflict between a person's physical or assigned gender and the gender with which he/she/they identify.
People with gender dysphoria may be very uncomfortable with the gender they were assigned, sometimes described as being uncomfortable with their body (particularly developments during puberty) or being uncomfortable with the expected roles of their assigned gender.

The mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness.
Being trans is related to personal or social identity, not a psychiatric one.

Feeling that their body does not reflect their true gender can cause severe distress, anxiety, and depression.

Your cited source is considered a extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/american-thinker/
 
Old 04-14-2019, 12:28 AM
 
Location: NW Indiana
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What elnina posted is true.

Folks, keep in mind that bashing of any group of people is not tolerated here. This thread is now closed.
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