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In the media and in real life. It seems insane but commenting on YouTube videos or other online forums as well as talking to people in real life gives the impression that people are on the surface, less condemning of mass shooters than they are of suicidal people. I know the two are different but it's striking.
If you kill yourself, everyone calls you selfish, weak/cowardly and you can see this on many videos of celebrities or stories of suicie survivors on YouTube. The same statements are reiterated in real life.
On the other hand, if you go out and kill a bunch of people and commit terrorism, mass shootings, or a murder suicide, people condemn you less. Most don't condone it but some do (Elliot Rodger, Stephen Paddock, Adam Lanza). Even on this forum I'd say the difference exists.
Perhaps people can easily distance themselves from mass shootings and don't condemn the killer as much.
Hmmmmm, in the suicides I have know, that I have had to deal with, calling someone selfish, weak/cowardly has not been the situation at all.
Now, I do know that if it is the SO of the victim, anger is a possibility. Ie, "Dammit! Why didn't you tell me you were hurting?" or if the suicide was done to hurt other people, then again, I suppose that is possible.
As to condemning mass shooters less, well, A and B. A: I have no hate for them for the combat suite doesn't allow hate...........but then again, I have nothing for them, either. B: They are already condemned to hell.
I think this forum would have far fewer insults if we could rate posts negatively in addition to positively, with both going towards reputation score.
How about that for a suggestion to make this forum better?
Does it matter the age a person commits suicide? Should it be acceptable if teens wants to kill themselves? Or should there be an age limit where it's acceptable for the person who wants to commit suicide? What age range can a person truly decide to kill themselves?
I think this forum would have far fewer insults if we could rate posts negatively in addition to positively, with both going towards reputation score.
How about that for a suggestion to make this forum better?
I think they had that once, back in the day, I've been on here for 12 years and either they did or I might be just dreaming that they did, anyways, if they did, they did away with that!
In the media and in real life. It seems insane but commenting on YouTube videos or other online forums as well as talking to people in real life gives the impression that people are on the surface, less condemning of mass shooters than they are of suicidal people. I know the two are different but it's striking.
If you kill yourself, everyone calls you selfish, weak/cowardly and you can see this on many videos of celebrities or stories of suicie survivors on YouTube. The same statements are reiterated in real life.
On the other hand, if you go out and kill a bunch of people and commit terrorism, mass shootings, or a murder suicide, people condemn you less. Most don't condone it but some do (Elliot Rodger, Stephen Paddock, Adam Lanza). Even on this forum I'd say the difference exists.
Perhaps people can easily distance themselves from mass shootings and don't condemn the killer as much.
I think maybe some people are afraid of the idea of suicide. It just seems so shocking to do oneself in, that they can't stand the very idea. Homicide is horrific, but to do oneself in, that's a concept that just can't be understood by most.
I think maybe some people are afraid of the idea of suicide. It just seems so shocking to do oneself in, that they can't stand the very idea. Homicide is horrific, but to do oneself in, that's a concept that just can't be understood by most.
I think both are well understood, but in one case you have someone who killed other people. There's nothing to talk about. That person has to be put away from society.
On the other hand, suicide has a more back handed impact. People are left with so much guilt.
I'm not talking about assisted suicide for people who are in tremendous physical pain.
We can argue that a person has every right to end their life, but time and time again you see people who have overcome really difficult situations and thought of suicide before, saying they are really happy they didn't do it.
If someone is really depressed and I went to tell them "why don't you kill yourself?", would that be ok?
It may be only my opinion, but there is always happiness to be found even in the smallest things. ESPECIALLY in the smallest things. A kitty purring and touching your leg. A walk in the park on a sunny day. Eating your favourite food. Talking with a person that you know loves you.
So much to live and experience.. I may have said that people are cowards and selfish if they kill themselves.
In reality I can understand. But it's just sad. I wish I could somehow give them my perspective..
The most important thing is that we are alive and have the chance to feel. If you can feel sad, you can also feel happy.
I think maybe some people are afraid of the idea of suicide. It just seems so shocking to do oneself in, that they can't stand the very idea. Homicide is horrific, but to do oneself in, that's a concept that just can't be understood by most.
The problem is people lack empathy, no ability or willingness to step into the shoes of another. They think because life is worth living for them that therefore should be worth living for everyone else. Some also believe in fairy tales that don't allow suicide, because I guess they need the crutch of a bigger picture in order to get through this life.
Situations of extreme violence, be it psychological or physical, have extreme effects. Of course people that have undergone such life-changing events aren't cowards. They are afraid and they need support.
But they have to put the effort and go to a professional.
Most likely they had already tried going to a professional and didn't receive the help they needed.
I agree with you. There is much to be gotten out of life, but for that to happen, one first has to be connected emotionally to others.
I think people who take their own lives could have maybe reached the height of loneliness, have no real connection with anyone, maybe reached the worst levels depressions, could be having even something simple such as mitral valve prolapse (which is connected to anxiety and panic attacks). Then of course, the person could be very immature and focus only on how to hurt others...
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Originally Posted by Gohangr
I think both are well understood, but in one case you have someone who killed other people. There's nothing to talk about. That person has to be put away from society.
On the other hand, suicide has a more back handed impact. People are left with so much guilt.
I'm not talking about assisted suicide for people who are in tremendous physical pain.
We can argue that a person has every right to end their life, but time and time again you see people who have overcome really difficult situations and thought of suicide before, saying they are really happy they didn't do it.
If someone is really depressed and I went to tell them "why don't you kill yourself?", would that be ok?
It may be only my opinion, but there is always happiness to be found even in the smallest things. ESPECIALLY in the smallest things. A kitty purring and touching your leg. A walk in the park on a sunny day. Eating your favourite food. Talking with a person that you know loves you.
So much to live and experience.. I may have said that people are cowards and selfish if they kill themselves.
In reality I can understand. But it's just sad. I wish I could somehow give them my perspective..
The most important thing is that we are alive and have the chance to feel. If you can feel sad, you can also feel happy.
What's amusing about some of these posts are these judgemental posters who become bullies and aggressive with their backhanded replies who don't agree with their beliefs about suicide. Lot of hypocrites here. I wonder how if they are like that IRL.
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