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Old 10-09-2019, 08:15 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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Constructive criticism can be a positive thing - especially when it’s conducted by well-informed, intelligent people who have the best of intentions i.e. problem-solving or making a situation more tolerable. That’s what makes it ‘constructive’ - and most do very well with it.

That said, this is rarely the case. Often, it is the people who are insecure or uninformed who have somewhat of a mob mentality behind their criticism and then wonder why their ‘criticism’ isn’t well-received (i.e. in terms of political groups and discussions or anyone who disagrees with them). It’s the difference between ‘intent’ behind a one-on-one discussion or an angry ambush. Most people take the former; no one ( who is emotionally healthy) takes the latter. In fact, in the latter case, those who don’t take the criticism (and simply ignore or diffuse with humor or take necessary action) would be more psychologically healthy than those angrily dishing it out.

How one takes criticism, ultimately, is relative to how it’s presented (and by whom).
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:46 PM
 
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The TDS is real in this thread.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:37 AM
 
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I think Barack Obama is the epitome of a secure guy. I have read that he had narcissistic traits,
I find it hard to believe anyone determined enough to rise to prominent (ie: notoriety) public positions (particularly elected public office) doesn't have narcissistic traits. Sort of goes with the territory. People who don't require adoration, validation, or ego stroking are probably pretty secure.
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Old 10-10-2019, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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You don’t need to look at China to see this behavior many a high ranking person lost their job commenting on mr Obama during his 8 years —zero tolerance zero
LOL... No mention of Trump? The man who fires everybody and is the King of insecure?

We know who you voted for.....LOl
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I thought you were referring to regular people you meet. Authoritarian system means you don't do anything to disrupt that framework. Make fun of the leader weakens the control of that system. This includes those in the upper echelon who love their lifestyle.

There is also what's called the "Cult of Personality" that they're turning Xi into
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality
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Old 10-10-2019, 01:19 PM
 
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I find it hard to believe anyone determined enough to rise to prominent (ie: notoriety) public positions (particularly elected public office) doesn't have narcissistic traits. Sort of goes with the territory. People who don't require adoration, validation, or ego stroking are probably pretty secure.

My son used to be a campaign manager for a politician in California. The candidate won. Part of the campaign was calling his potential voters to urge them to vote for him.


He hated doing it. It felt beneath him to beg for votes. But my son would make him, and watch as he made the phone calls, because the candidate hated doing it so much. It was much like a parent making his kid do his homework. lol
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Old 10-10-2019, 02:38 PM
 
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My son used to be a campaign manager for a politician in California. The candidate won. Part of the campaign was calling his potential voters to urge them to vote for him.


He hated doing it. It felt beneath him to beg for votes. But my son would make him, and watch as he made the phone calls, because the candidate hated doing it so much. It was much like a parent making his kid do his homework. lol
IMHO there are two types of "elected" personae.

There is the dutiful public servant who is fueled by altruism. They run for office because they really want to serve others and somehow came to the conclusion the best way to do that is to occupy that office and carry out its responsibilities on behalf of constituents. The campaign is a necessary evil.

There is the ego-driven politician who thrives on being the center of attention. They run because they must express their views, convince others to accept those views, and to flatten those who oppose them. They love the stage, all the hyperbole, the energy of the adoring crowd, the competition, the validation victory brings. Whether the decisions they make while in office actually benefit anyone other than themselves is secondary. As long as they get the win, they're good.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:12 PM
 
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IMHO there are two types of "elected" personae.

There is the dutiful public servant who is fueled by altruism. They run for office because they really want to serve others and somehow came to the conclusion the best way to do that is to occupy that office and carry out its responsibilities on behalf of constituents. The campaign is a necessary evil.

There is the ego-driven politician who thrives on being the center of attention. They run because they must express their views, convince others to accept those views, and to flatten those who oppose them. They love the stage, all the hyperbole, the energy of the adoring crowd, the competition, the validation victory brings. Whether the decisions they make while in office actually benefit anyone other than themselves is secondary. As long as they get the win, they're good.


Personally, I think the effective politician has to be a little bit of both. You HAVE to think you're all that and a box of chocolate, to survive and win a campaign.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:19 PM
 
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Read the DSM-V diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and see if it reminds you of anyone. Any five of the nine standards is sufficient for a diagnosis. Just in case you don't have a DSM-V:

A grandiose logic of self-importance

A fixation with fantasies of infinite success, control, brilliance, beauty, or idyllic love

A credence that he or she is extraordinary and exceptional and can only be understood by, or should connect with, other extraordinary or important people or institutions

A desire for unwarranted admiration

A sense of entitlement

Interpersonally oppressive behavior

No form of empathy

Resentment of others or a conviction that others are resentful of him or her

A display of egotistical and conceited behaviors or attitudes
Well. Guess I'll go crawl in my dark corner now.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:22 PM
 
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Personally, I think the effective politician has to be a little bit of both. You HAVE to think you're all that and a box of chocolate, to survive and win a campaign.
Agree. Unfortunately for the public, like so many other psychological things, it probably runs along on some sort of spectrum!
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