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Old 05-01-2020, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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It's a mixed bag and I think it depends on their culture or background. I noticed that some, young heterosexual Southern European and ironically, Middle Eastern guys, especially those with big egos and don't look so bad, have no problem with me, a gay man, complimenting them. I think older guys would be more 'disturbed'.

My cousin, who is as straight as they come, openly told me that he doesn't feel any repulsion towards two guys having sex, although he has no physical attraction towards it. But even saying "hey I am not really disgusted by gay porn" would have others calling you gay when you're not. At times, I believe that the men who are disgusted and uncomfortable by two gay guys might actually have repressed bisexual tendencies. And mind you, I think the same way about gay men who have panic attacks when they see a vagina. They also probably like it and are repressing it. Just saying.

Lesbian porn to me, a gay man, looks pretty sensual and even beautiful. And the idea of a woman fingering herself to orgasm is enticing to observe. Am I straight and am I into women now? Not really. I am just a bit fluid and open-minded, although I will always be emotionally and physically attracted to men. Sexuality is a strange thing. We should stop labelling people so quickly.


But it is biological. This has nothing to do with liberalism and leftism. I'm as gay as you are straight.

Mind you, I'm also fed up with the LGBT community today and the idea that there are a thousand genders. So I am with you here. But yours sexuality is something you just cannot change, just like your heterosexuality and your handedness. Is it biological? I don't know. Is it hormonal? Maybe. But I know I cannot stop being gay. Let's not make it a political matter. It's beyond the left or the right.

Even far-leftists SJWs have a strange notion that sexuality is a preference, where they would call lesbians "bigoted" because they don't want to have sexual relations with transwomen who hadn't had bottom surgery, or in other words, 'shemales'. They also think that genital preference is a choice. Let's not be like them.
I worked around gays for years, not repulsed, just not interested.
They're God's kids like everyone else.
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Old 05-01-2020, 11:55 AM
 
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Most people are put off by the idea of interacting sexually or romantically with someone they're not attracted to. That's pretty normal.

But for some, it goes farther than that--why do some straight men over react to the point that they are physically agressive, beat up, or even kill a gay man or trans woman, especially if that person hasn't done anything to them but exist in the world?

Those men are not only straight, but they're also alpha hotels, not only in that way but in many ways. No man would suddenly become so violent over just that one thing. There are many things in which they are violent. They probably slap women and kick dogs as well.
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Old 05-01-2020, 11:59 AM
 
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Right. My guess (Just a hunch) is that men and women are equally divided between homosexual, heterosexual, and gender-fluidity tendencies. But we do know that men are more likely to dictate how others should live their lives.

Not necessarily. Female soceity can be extremely controlling of other women. They just have different methods of control.


And not necessarily better methods, which is why my daughter greatly prefers male bosses to female bosses. Her male bosses will call her to the carpet immediately over a mistake, and if she sucks the carpet hard enough, they immediately forget the matter.



"Do you know what you did wrong?"
"Yes, and I'll never do that again."
"Well, okay. Now, how 'bout them Cubs?"



Her female bosses never forget it.
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Old 05-01-2020, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Brentwood, Tennessee
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My friend "liked" females - but simultaneously, there was this core revulsion that would be expressed . . . I am not sure how he or his friends would categorize it.
You realize that's not typical OR healthy OR representative of all gay men, right?
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Old 05-01-2020, 12:06 PM
 
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Is the masculinity of men seen as more fragile and thus they instinctively feel disgust.
I think that the biggest factor is the amount of self-confidence that people have regarding their own sexuality.
IMHO, those who are insecure about their sexuality are most likely to feel threatened by something that they may unconsciously fear in their own psyche.
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Old 05-01-2020, 12:07 PM
 
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I find some women attractive, like I find some art attractive but I'm not attracted to any woman, in that way.

Sure.


As a portrait photographer, I can easily identify the physical qualities of a man that this society would consider attractive and photograph any man to emphasize those qualities as much as possible. That doesn't make me personally attracted to him.


I can also identify physical qualities among races that make people attractive within the race as well as to a broader diverse society outside that race...and those are not necessarily the same qualities.


For instance, lovely black woman is not, to me, simply a "white woman dipped in chocolate," but will have features particular to being black
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Old 05-01-2020, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Those men are not only straight, but they're also alpha hotels, not only in that way but in many ways. No man would suddenly become so violent over just that one thing. There are many things in which they are violent. They probably slap women and kick dogs as well.
Well yes, there are the bullies.

But if you actually get to know a bully? Really dig into their psychology, or take them out of their bully element and observe them in different context? What is usually underneath is fear. Obviously they won't admit that, because the nature of the fear is personal insecurity, a need to posture constantly to prove something to themselves, a dysfunctional father who lives in their head, women, other men, the world...whatever. There is a deep terror of inadequacy at the core of a bully.

A bully usually is not interested in a fair fight, as we all know. If he really thought that the gay man he was confronting was a bodybuilder or martial artist who could take him, he would not step up. Truly, he is looking for not only someone weaker than he is, but also hopefully outside of the norm of his surrounding social group, so that he is, like a fawning dog, saying "Look! I'm reinforcing our ideologies! You will all approve of my actions, yes? You will all validate me, yes? I am worthy, yes?" And nothing pleases him more than ganging up on somebody different, in an unfair fight, with a group of his allies.

Belligerence is nothing but excess posturing, desperate to conceal vulnerability and inadequacy. And you really find this out, if you're the kind of person that others open up to, a gift (or curse?) that I possess in abundance. For some reason, all kinds of people I meet in the world feel safe and comfortable telling me everything about themselves. Maybe because I'm a good listener, or they get the sense that I won't judge, or because I show an interest, who knows... But I've had any number of bullies crack themselves open at my feet, showing their squishy marshmallow insides. Not a thing I asked for, but one I've often been given.

Really in those cases, I don't think it has much at all to do with disgust they feel towards gay people in particular, I think it's a person with a certain dysfunction (many bullies were victims of child abuse, too) seeing a target they can act against, because they are different, so they can justify that the different one is asking for it, and they can get affirmation from their in-group by violently enforcing conformity.
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Old 05-01-2020, 12:45 PM
 
Location: U.S.A.
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There sure are alot of people in here speaking for others instead of for themselves...
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Old 05-01-2020, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Dude, many straight males dislike females, too.


Remember what I was saying above about straight males disliking women, too? Exhibit A.
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Ok . . . that point is key - patriarchy and unconscious misogyny.
That's easy - you can lust after something for sex but as soon as that's over not like them since you can't find anything you have in common. Doesn't have to be "patriarchy" or unconscious misogyny" but those are great sociological terms to throw around.

Even outside of "romantic" relationships there's a lot of that - you can love your parents and siblings but have nothing that brings you together for liking to take root.
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Old 05-01-2020, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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That's easy - you can lust after something for sex but as soon as that's over not like them since you can't find anything you have in common. Doesn't have to be "patriarchy" or unconscious misogyny" but those are great sociological terms to throw around.

Even outside of "romantic" relationships there's a lot of that - you can love your parents and siblings but have nothing that brings you together for liking to take root.
That's a stretch for justifying someone who's saying that the only reason straight men associate with women is for sex and/or affection.
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