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Old 08-13-2023, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Yes, yes, the old "I don't like you so you are mentally unwell because you won't shut up and go away" process. It's not rocket science! It's common sense!

I know you want very badly to imagine me all triggered and stressed, screaming at my keyboard, guy. Fantasize all you like, it doesn't make it so.

As I have said MANY TIMES all over these forums, I do in fact have what might be called "an agenda." Or as I often put it, "my own little hill to die on." (Metaphor, colloquialism, again, feel free to fantasize but there's no real hill and I am not literally dying any more than any other living being. Just gotta make that clear, given...well, how this tends to go.)

My agenda is to continually press the idea that everyone doesn't need to all be the same, the world contains a vast variety of people with varying mindsets and identities and desires and dreams and lifestyles and so on and so forth, and essentially that diversity - so long as no one is inflicting harmful behaviors upon others - is no threat to anybody's way of life. It's more than just "tolerance"...it is "acceptance." And this IS relevant to psychology because beliefs DO often influence behavior. (That is definitely not rocket science.)

There is simply no call to view one's neighbor who is different in some sort of a way as one's enemy, and hold a posture of readiness to engage in conflict and warfare with them. But it is a long road requiring a lot of pressure to get enough people in a society to even want to hold that belief.

I hold a belief that positive human evolution, improvement of quality of life for members of our species, derives from the diminishment of violence and suffering. Acceptance of difference is key to that process. That is my agenda. That's why I "pop off" all the time. It isn't a question of triggers or anger, not that I feel particularly accountable to you with regard to my own emotional state anyways.

So YEAH, if any given individual is capable of keeping their opinions to themselves and not bringing them into word or deed, into the realm of antisocial behavior, most certainly they can feel whatever they feel anywhere they please. In a box. With a fox. In a house with a mouse. Common sense would tell a reasonable person that digitalUID was not saying they may literally only feel this in their own physical residential dwelling unit, but rather that so long as the negative opinion is a contained in the privacy of one's own mind, and not brought forth to justify harmful words and acts against others, then whose business is it anyways?

And of course as any lawyer would know well enough, though it certainly isn't rocket science, the government does not impose law on anybody's thoughts or feelings or beliefs, but rather on actions and to a lesser degree and generally relative to it leading or potentially leading to action, speech.

You seem very unhappy to have your ideas challenged. Anyone may ignore you, but no one is required to do so. As you are free to have your opinions and judge as you please...so are others perfectly free to have opinions about your opinions and judge your judgments. Welcome to the internet?
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Old 08-13-2023, 11:56 AM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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Is there an evolutionary reason for this or is it just indoctrination? Is the masculinity of men seen as more fragile and thus they instinctively feel disgust.
You’re illogically assuming it’s a weak/fragile masculinity if one is steadfast in our (heterosexual) sexual orientation (which is naturally occurring in nature). To the contrary, I’d consider it a genetic strength to align, as there is evidence that sexual orientation has a biological foundation and genetic component, particularly relative to epigenetics.
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Old 08-13-2023, 12:38 PM
 
Location: a little corner of a very big universe
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Same-sex sexual behavior is "naturally occurring" in many other species. I see nothing unnatural about it in our own.



https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...on-in-animals/
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Old 08-13-2023, 01:02 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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Same-sex sexual behavior is "naturally occurring" in many other species. I see nothing unnatural about it in our own.
Point being, heterosexuality is naturally-occurring/necessary relative to our survival. Hence, how could it be considered a genetic weakness for our (heterosexual) sexual orientation to align with such? For that matter, per her post, what would it have to do with indoctrination as well.
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Old 08-14-2023, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I believe bisexual men exist.
Anybody who has ever had Gay friends or relatives will tell you that there are more Bisexual Men than there are Gays.

They have dated more than enough of those "Closet" cases!
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Old 08-14-2023, 07:50 AM
 
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Anybody who has ever had Gay friends or relatives will tell you that there are more Bisexual Men than there are Gays.

They have dated more than enough of those "Closet" cases!
Many experts will argue that humans are born bisexual and the resulting fragmenting of strictly heterosexual individuals is via relentless societal influences.
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Old 08-14-2023, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Many experts will argue that humans are born bisexual and the resulting fragmenting of strictly heterosexual individuals is via relentless societal influences.
True but Men tend to focus their Sexuality based on their Masculinity whereas Women aren't so focused on Gender identity.
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Old 08-14-2023, 02:37 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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Anybody who has ever had Gay friends or relatives will tell you that there are more Bisexual Men than there are Gays.

They have dated more than enough of those "Closet" cases!
Too funny. If you know they are bisexual (and you know folks who have dated them), how is it they are ‘closet cases’.

That said, relative to the thread (i.e. more men are repulsed by homosexuality than women, to which most agree), this is nonsensical. You’re essentially claiming the repulsion isn’t real while simultaneously condemning it.

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Many experts will argue that humans are born bisexual and the resulting fragmenting of strictly heterosexual individuals is via relentless societal influences.
Who are your ‘experts’? It’s an overly simplistic way of claiming we can ultimately change/control our sexual orientation. As such, you’re also indirectly stating homosexuality is relative to relentless societal influences as well.
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Old 08-15-2023, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Too funny. If you know they are bisexual (and you know folks who have dated them), how is it they are ‘closet cases’.

That said, relative to the thread (i.e. more men are repulsed by homosexuality than women, to which most agree), this is nonsensical. You’re essentially claiming the repulsion isn’t real while simultaneously condemning it.
Who are your ‘experts’? It’s an overly simplistic way of claiming we can ultimately change/control our sexual orientation. As such, you’re also indirectly stating homosexuality is relative to relentless societal influences as well.
Well most Bisexual Men are not Open or "Out" about their Sexual Preferences.
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Old 08-15-2023, 10:42 AM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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Well most Bisexual Men are not Open or "Out" about their Sexual Preferences.
Again, if they aren’t ‘out’, how do you know they’re bisexual? I assume you’re speaking to personal experience relative to the men in your circle (which is a biased sampling, obviously). It’s not something one would ‘assume’ sans any evidence to the contrary, particularly relative to men who are more repulsed than women by homosexuality, as a whole, per the thread.
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