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Old 04-30-2020, 12:19 PM
 
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Moreover, fundies want to brand it a lifestyle choice and a sin which puts them in the precarious position of positing they could get the gay tomorrow if they wanted to.
Maybe thats why some are so anti gay, they actually are and are holding it in with all their might.
Most of the catholic priests labelled as pedophiles, are not at all. They are simply gay men, and were attracted by young males the same way straight men are attracted by young females. In the 50s and 60s, what better place for gay men than the seminary? Avoid persecution, not have to explain to family why you didnt like girls? And if you thought you were just a sinner maybe youd find salvation?
The catholic church needs to stop forbidding homosexuality, stop persecuting it, and come to grips with its past now that most of these men are senior leaders.

(As far as I know homosexuality is biological or ingrained at a very early age)


This is a bizarre attempt to excuse pedophilia and blame the church by saying they are "simply gay men attracted to young boys."

Huh?

By definition of the act itself, they are indeed pedophiles.

Grown men and women attracted to children are pedophiles. Do I really need to say this????


Even your last sentence solidifies the dangers and consequences of young children being abused by, as you put it "simply gay men attracted to young males"

"(As far as I know homosexuality is biological or ingrained at a very early age)"
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Old 04-30-2020, 12:41 PM
 
Location: planet earth
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Ya know... (and this kind of goes for this entire thread) ...it's perfectly fine for you to feel completely put off by a given sex act, to a point that you absolutely never, ever, for any reason, ever want to do it. What gets me rolling my eyes is this need people seem to have, to pathologize, explain, or worry about reasons and what it all MEANS for other people who choose to do something different.

I used to react to this concept with just as much...near-horror and revulsion, as you. I had a spouse who wanted to do this, I tried to be a good sport but it was all pain and no joy for me. He did not kindly leave me alone about it, but guilted me for not letting him, argued about how I was boring in bed, was cruel about it and constantly pressuring me. It was very emotionally hurtful, as I'm sure you can imagine. I did not exit that relationship with the best opinion of that act.

However, I've met a number of women (women I love and trust and speak openly with) since then who really enjoy it. And while I wanna try and hedge the details in this PG-13 forum here, I've found that it can be enjoyable, yes, even for a woman, under certain circumstances having to do with preparation, technique, and anatomical dimensions. And that is all I'm gonna say about THAT.

As for why men want it? A few of the most likely reasons off the top of my head are that men tend to love novelty, men who view a lot of porn in particular tend to desire more and more novelty, or end up wanting things they've seen, and beyond that, I'm told it feels really good.

To pivot to the thread subject... I often find it interesting how differently people behave when social context is different. (Yes, this is another allusion to the BDSM community I'm involved in.) In a big group of people who allow for deviation from sexual norms and judgment, where people feel free to be different safely, you get very different results. And certainly that group is self-selected for deviation from "the norm" but straight people get desensitized to seeing gay PDA just like people who are involved in said community get desensitized to nudity and displays of sexuality in general, surprisingly fast and easily. There are still plenty of straight people there who absolutely do not want to participate in gay sex of any kind, but they lose the disgust and it's just a "oh no thanks, that's not my thing." Like when you go to a restaurant there is no need to scream in revulsion or make faces over a dish someone else orders that you don't like...nobody is gonna make you eat it! The shock factor goes away, it's all just whatever, people ignore things that they have squicky feelings about. And I like that the more validating environment makes people feel more free to be genuine about what they do want. I know a LOT of bisexual or "hetero-flexible" men. I also know women like myself, who came into the community claiming to be bisexual, only to realize...kinda not really. Split theory works for me, because I get somewhat romantic crushes on women, become fixated on exciting and attractive female friends, but might not necessarily feel any drive to express that by having sex with them. In the "vanilla" world I felt like I could not be free to feel what I felt, without some aspect of something I don't. Now, I feel that I can be more honest and genuine about it.

Sexually speaking, I'm mostly if not completely straight. But I do like to watch men with men, I think that's hot. *shrug*

People can like or dislike whatever, as long as it's a matter of consenting adults, and no one pressuring or coercing anyone into anything. Honestly, despite my use of labels just to try and speak in words that people can understand, I really dislike them. I feel like too often, people want a label to enforce limitations. "You said you're this, so you can't do that." It's annoying.

Oh, and the ex I mentioned earlier...he also said I was "allowed" to have sex with other women while we were married because another woman "doesn't count" as cheating and "isn't a threat." Complete with the predictable follow up of, "I wanna watch." You want to talk about DISGUST? I felt a lot of disgust with that. A whole lot. And I refused to be part of any such thing.
Most people are not too deep - not critical thinkers - I am very analytical and have a background in psychology. I understand a little bit about biology and the act you are describing is unnatural. It is also unhygienic - SOOOOOOO . . . since that orifice is not built for a penis, I wonder WHY some people with penises want to "go" there. It is a serious question.
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Old 04-30-2020, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Most people are not too deep - not critical thinkers - I am very analytical and have a background in psychology. I understand a little bit about biology and the act you are describing is unnatural. It is also unhygienic - SOOOOOOO . . . since that orifice is not built for a penis, I wonder WHY some people with penises want to "go" there. It is a serious question.
And I gave you a serious answer. 3 of them. You have a background in psychology, the mouth is not built for that either, why do people want to "go there?" Sexual psychology, we can easily find several reasons linked to that...taboo-factor tends to push human buttons and excite us sexually, novelty (which is an important factor for many people's sexual psychology) and the plain old fact that it FEELS GOOD.

I already said that. Hello?

Also, I believe that you have an aversion to even thinking too much about this, and I have some reservations about discussing it in too much detail, per the site's rules. But plenty of people put a bit of extra effort into making it not so...unhygienic. And many (if they're smart) use barriers, which also helps with that.

If you have a background in psychology, I fail to comprehend why humans doing anything or not doing anything based on it being, or not being, "natural" is even a thing you would question. I'm typing on a keyboard, a message into a computer, that will reach you wherever on the planet that you are. It doesn't give me any particular stimulation or excitement or pleasure, and this activity is about as "unnatural" as you can get, and yet I'm doing it. Why am I going "there?" Because I can?

People do things because they want to. Doesn't mean anyone's got to be right or wrong about it. Refer to your username maybe, if this is difficult for you to accept? *shrug*
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Old 04-30-2020, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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I think some Men feel it’s a threat to their masculinity somehow, where women are more open about such things. Yet the same men might be more inclined to have sex with another man if they were assured no one would ever find out.
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Old 04-30-2020, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Yeah, for some reason a lot of straight guys are afraid they'll be lusted after or something. My gay buddies told me that decades ago, and I'm happy to say some of our friends who were practicing social distancing with them have become much closer over time.
So, are you saying that gay men don't lust after straight men that they find attractive? I would find that to be rather odd. It's not a question of whether they could "have" them or not, but simply whether or not they find them attractive. Kind of the same as me knowing that I'll never have a supermodel, but that wouldn't necessarily stop me from lusting after one.
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Old 04-30-2020, 02:36 PM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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I wonder WHY some people with penises want to "go" there. It is a serious question.
Dude, some men will happily put a D into anything that won't chop it off. For odd locations this doesn't even make the top ten.
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Old 04-30-2020, 03:12 PM
 
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On the contrary the liberal left has insisted for decades homosexuality is nearly if not completely biological -- you know, the whole "born this way" mantra.
That is a bit outdated. The calculus for that has changed. Gay rights were just the stepping stone for a larger agenda.
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Old 04-30-2020, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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That is a bit outdated. The calculus for that has changed. Gay rights were just the stepping stone for a larger agenda.
If you think it's a bit outdated then you must not have notice the pushback people still get when they cut against this grain.

Gay rights may have become a stepping stone for a larger agenda but it didn't start out that way. And those in charge the current activist movement most certainly continue to push back against homosexuality being a choice when it suits their agenda to do so. Miley Cyrus for instance can tell you what happens when you even dare imply it's a choice.
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Old 04-30-2020, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Yeah, I have heard it has become a trend with heterosexuals. I think the reason is very sexist. I think some females are afraid of being labeled uncool if they say no to that request.

I did think it was a mainstay of homosexual men, though. I wonder what the percentages are that do it, as opposed to not doing it.
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And, I think most females have had males try it with them - so there seems to be an instinct in (some?) males to want to do that - is it a homosexual instinct or what is the other reason for wanting to use that particular orifice, I wonder.
OMG...do we really have to discuss how being gay is not about the ACTS you do, but WHO you do them with? There is nothing about your butt that is intrinsically gay. There are a lot of nerves down there, that if you're not programmed to be repulsed, you just might want to try it and it just might feel good, if done the right way...THAT doesn't make you gay. Again, depends on who you're doing it with.

This is 2020, people - figure it out.
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Old 04-30-2020, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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So, are you saying that gay men don't lust after straight men that they find attractive? I would find that to be rather odd. It's not a question of whether they could "have" them or not, but simply whether or not they find them attractive. Kind of the same as me knowing that I'll never have a supermodel, but that wouldn't necessarily stop me from lusting after one.
No, I'm not saying that. I know that happens. But while most guys won't feel threatened by it, some may be flattered in fact, others will feel very uncomfortable by it.
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