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How exactly is asking to see your drivers license illegal search and seizure?
Do you think the same thing when you pay with a credit card and the person at the register asks to see your drivers license?
Actually, according to most Credit Card agreements stores are NOT allowed to ask you to see your drivers license as a condition for accepting your card.
Actually, according to most Credit Card agreements stores are NOT allowed to ask you to see your drivers license as a condition for accepting your card.
They can ask to confirm your identity. They cannot write down your DL number.
If you refuse to show your DL, they can refuse to sell to you.
They can't tell just by looking at a license if it's suspended or revoked, and all they did yesterday was look. They did not ask for registration or insurance either.
I'm not sure how they can "catch transplants" either....if you're driving thru with out of state license and tags....they can get you for what, exactly?
No, they cant tell if its revoked just by looking... so the FEW that are suspended or revoked AND have a copy of their licience that has a valid date slip through. I bet that number is few. Most people irresposible enough to drive with out a licience, or a revoked/suspended licience dont have a copy.
I drove in NC with a NJ tag for a year. I DID get stopped once and they questioned how long I was living here. I told the truth and got a little lecture. He explained the law and said to get it done soon! The State Troopers in this state are such gentleman. I have never gotten a ticket without the Trooper explaining how to get it reduced or dropped. That NEVER happens in NJ!
I am not a big fan of the checkpoints... but they are VERY productive for finding fugitives, guns, drunk drivers and revoked/suspended drivers.
Where is the "probable cause" for stopping me and asking to see "my papers"?
You are speaking logically and assuming that little things like 'liberty' matter anymore. I agree completely with what you are saying ... it is a slippery slope to "Show me your papers".
I was stopped at check point after picking strawberries with my 3 daughters and my wife in the car. I asked why a State Trooper was stopping people on a municipal road (he did not like that) and I asked what statute allowed him to ask people for their license without probable cause of wrong doing.
He said it was in chapter 30 of the state code. Upon arriving home I opened up my computer and began to search and I could not seem to locate this 'law' anywhere...
You should thank the officer for taking the drunk or unlicensed drivers off the road who may have hit you and your family head on.
It's especially amazing that there are so many unlicensed drivers on the road -- and many of them never had a license in their lives, so they don't know how to drive. If such checkpoints didn't result in catching the unlicensed drivers and other dangerous people, they wouldn't do it.
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You are speaking logically and assuming that little things like 'liberty' matter anymore. I agree completely with what you are saying ... it is a slippery slope to "Show me your papers".
I was stopped at check point after picking strawberries with my 3 daughters and my wife in the car. I asked why a State Trooper was stopping people on a municipal road (he did not like that) and I asked what statute allowed him to ask people for their license without probable cause of wrong doing.
He said it was in chapter 30 of the state code. Upon arriving home I opened up my computer and began to search and I could not seem to locate this 'law' anywhere...
Not sure having a license means you actually know how to drive. My test over at an office in east Raleigh not too far from Enloe HS and since closed, consisted of driving about a mile in an 8 block circuit through residential streets and backing up straight. I did not even have to parallel park.
Some LE branches get together and do them all day; you can catch quite a few criminals in a day's time. Most criminals are not Rhodes' scholars and will either try to bluff their way thru - or turn around and speed off , getting chased and caught (you can't outrun Motorola).
It sounds like in your case they were looking for someone specific. Could have been anything from a purse-snatching to domestic violence to a discovered body that AM; you probably didn't fit the description. BTW, just because they only glanced at your license doesn't mean they 'didn't ask' for anything else; I used to dispatch, and traffic stops were always rushed and demanding back at the office, as cops further along the line would call in license plates rapid-fire to verify ownership, legality, etc. while the people were still in line. By the time they get to where the officers were actually stopping them, the officers usually know who should be in that vehicle, and whether their licenses are 'clear'.
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