More Housing Coming to Cameron Village??? (King: renters, condo, to buy)
Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill, CaryThe Triangle Area
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It does compute. Traffic is a function of the # of cars on the road the distances that they have to travel. Sprawling a city like LA and Atlanta is a perfect example of how this affects traffic. Practically eveyone has to drive everywhere. Traffic in Manhattan is pretty good considering how many people live and work there. The majority of those that do live there don't drive. The traffic jams in NYC are mostly about the people who commute to and from the burbs to the city.
Morning and afternoon commutes will be affected but it's not going to create this all day traffic jam. Plus, it won't affect the lunch traffic either since people will already be gone if they leave the area daily or, if not, they'll be there and on foot.
Inside the beltline is clearly more densely populated than outside the beltline. Yet, on roads like Glenwood Ave, ever notice how the traffic is much worse outside the Beltline than it is inside the Beltline?
CV is a retail plaza. People are going to continue to drive to it to eat or shop. Having more apartments there won't stop people from driving to the shopping plaza. It will just add more people who may be able to walk to it as well.
Traffic will not decrease in this situation. BTW I have always found ITB traffic awful compared to outside of it.
Traffic to CV won't decrease, as those that drive there now will still drive there. But I think what the OP is saying is that traffic will decrease overall (city-wide?), since a bunch of people will be moving to an area where they don't have to drive for many of their needs (grocery, clothes, downtown...ChickFila!) so their driving will be reduced.
Traffic will not decrease in this situation. BTW I have always found ITB traffic awful compared to outside of it.
I live in Glenwood South and commute to North Raleigh every day. Driving ITB is smooth sailing out and back. I always experience the most congestion and traffic issues after I hit the north side of 440. I travel from Glenwood to Peace to Capital to Wake Forest Road/Falls of Neuse and then reverse in the evening. It's rare that I find myself sitting in traffic anywhere within 440 unless there is a special event going on with streets closed or blocked.
For those who think the residential units will cause parking issues - how do you feel about the new Chik-fil-a being built in the middle of the Rite Aid parking lot? That will be removing parking spaces for the entire shopping center, and not replacing them. It is my understanding that the residential buildings will have integrated parking.
CV is a retail plaza. People are going to continue to drive to it to eat or shop. Having more apartments there won't stop people from driving to the shopping plaza. It will just add more people who may be able to walk to it as well.
Traffic will not decrease in this situation. BTW I have always found ITB traffic awful compared to outside of it.
ITB traffic can seem bad mainly because many of the streets are one or two lanes. You get behind a slow moving vehicle or need to merge into one lane when people are parked on the street can make traffic seem awful.
I can see some people who enjoy the CV area moving into the new developments, especially if they don't want to buy a home. People who will move there probably won't want a long commute if they chose to live in the suburbs of Raleigh and the like. And it's not a far walk to downtown Raleigh.
Let me be clear. I NEVER said that adding apartments was going to REDUCE the number of cars parking at CV. I simply said that, despite what people might think, adding density to the right places doesn't increase the traffic in the same way that suburban development does because suburban development increases the miles typically driven by each car (per anum).
Thanks miamiblue for your story. I couldn't agree more. I have to laugh that I can reach RTP quicker from DT (though I almost always telecommute) than my colleagues who live in North Raleigh, Apex and even parts of Cary. It sounds crazy but it's true.
Most streets (Glenwood, Capital, Six Forks, Wake Forest, Saunders, New Bern, even Hillsborough) seem to be subjectively worse OTB than ITB, even at rush hour.
The only streets I travel regularly that get worse ITB rather than better are Western and Wade. Western is particularly bad as it has far more stoplights than Wade. I guess there's Dan Allen which is a perpetual crawl, but IMO that doesn't really count.
In my experience, Cameron Village does not have bad traffic, unless your only definition of bad traffic is "Not proximate to 45mph streets." Broughton High can cause traffic problems but that's a mile down the road, and besides, the same can also be said of every school, ITB or OTB. These apartments are a welcome addition.
Which new monstrosity condo complex? Not sure if you're referring to Oberlin Court but I thought those were nice modern apartment complexs with retail/shopping/dining underneath right on Oberlin and walking distance to Cameron Village.
Most streets (Glenwood, Capital, Six Forks, Wake Forest, Saunders, New Bern, even Hillsborough) seem to be subjectively worse OTB than ITB, even at rush hour.
The only streets I travel regularly that get worse ITB rather than better are Western and Wade. Western is particularly bad as it has far more stoplights than Wade. I guess there's Dan Allen which is a perpetual crawl, but IMO that doesn't really count.
In my experience, Cameron Village does not have bad traffic, unless your only definition of bad traffic is "Not proximate to 45mph streets." Broughton High can cause traffic problems but that's a mile down the road, and besides, the same can also be said of every school, ITB or OTB. These apartments are a welcome addition.
Actually Broughton High is only a few blocks from Cameron Village. It's between Glenwood South and Cameron Village. A mile from the eastern edge of Cameron Village takes you all the way past Capital Blvd on Peace St. Things are much closer than you might think ITB. Glenwood South is walkable to Cameron Village yet many people think it's not. NC State is also walkable to Cameron Village. One day I am going to create my own website that visually overlays one sort of development on top of another. This will allow everyone to see how land use planning affects our lives and our transportation habits. I pay close attention personally to these sort of things when I move about the city. For instance, I visited friends of mine in a (not to be named) North Raleigh subdivision and travelled more than a mile from the main entrance through continuous single family houses just to get to their house. Then I thought to myself about all the sorts of things that are within a mile of me. No wonder they are tied to their cars.
As for parking, the only time I found it difficult to park at CV was this Christmas Eve....but, then again, that's sort of expected. Nonetheless, I found my spot near the Fresh Market and walked (God forbid) across the street. It was still closer to my destination than if I had parked in the middle of a Walmart lot and shopped there.
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