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Old 04-18-2014, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
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I do think teachers deserve better pay. That said, I will pose the same question I have asked before and never heard a viable response. Where will the money come from? Is there surplus out there or are we all just ready to pay more in taxes?

Again, I think teachers deserve raises, I just don't know where the money is that can make it happen.
How about those ridiculous pay scales for the Health and Social Services or whatever that dept is where the 24 year old kids were making 6 figures.
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Old 04-18-2014, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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I have always thought it was pretty crazy that I make more as an Administrative Assistant with no college education that new teachers and even some of the older ones.
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Old 04-18-2014, 05:41 PM
 
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The state employees/teachers need the right to unionize.

The only good thing that can come out of teacher losses can be a stop in transplants coming here after realizing it's no longer such a great place.

Be sure to vote out the present legislature ASAP if you want this state to stay out of the toilet.
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Old 04-18-2014, 07:33 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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There is no profession or workplace that would be okay with a brand new employee making the same, let alone more, than an experienced employee when pay is not negotiable. None. No wonder they are leaving in droves.
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Old 04-18-2014, 07:41 PM
 
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It's becoming more and more difficult being a teacher, today.

Low pay and ever demanding parents in this social media world. The expectations are high and they take a lot of abuse from everybody.

Not worth the stress for 35-40 grand a year.
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Old 04-18-2014, 07:48 PM
 
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Ohio is witnessing an exodus of unprecedented proportions for 2 reasons. 1.) they changed retirement and 2.) they are moving to a totally different super / admin / teacher eval process.

1.) in Ohio it use to be you could teach 30 years and retire making 66% of your best 3 years. if you taught for 35 years you could retire with 88% of your best 3. now they have gotten rid of the 35 year mark and its just 30 years. anyone over 30 is now bolting.

2.) evaluation methodology in the state is now totally data driven. supers / building level admins / teachers are now evaluated solely on data and progress of data.

its not just NC i would imagine but obviously also Ohio and i'm sure other states.

i had a transportation supervisor in my district tell me once that you can always tell when there is an upswing in the economy b/c school bus drivers begin to resign / quit and it gets tougher to hire new ones. the more i thought about that observation the more it made sense haha. same thing might apply to teaching i would imagine.
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Old 04-18-2014, 07:53 PM
 
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the starting pay in my district has not changed much since i started 10 years ago. i know a handful of new teachers in their early 20s who are full time employed as teachers but still live with mom and dad. i know another couple or more who live in apartments of 3 or 4 to save on rent. i can not imagine making it on what they make as a first year teacher.
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Old 04-18-2014, 07:57 PM
 
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the starting pay in my district has not changed much since i started 10 years ago. .....
Welcome to the rest of America.
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Old 04-18-2014, 07:59 PM
 
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Welcome to the rest of America.
I've gotten raises every year since I stopped teaching in 2003.

The economy has been down, but there are plenty of people getting raises.
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Old 04-18-2014, 08:03 PM
 
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Welcome to the rest of America.


right out of high school i worked at a grocery warehouse driving a forklift for 10 dollars an hour. this was in union heavy ohio and yes after 90 days i did get inducted into the teamsters union haha.

i graduated high school in 1999 and 10 bucks an hour for an 18 year old in the late 90s was magical i tells ya.

a few years ago i looked up the same job at various employers around SC / NC and the pay was anywhere from 8 / hr. to 12 / hr. so in 15 years give or take the pay even for those jobs hasn't gone up either.

current inflation it appears means that those "forklift / distribution" jobs SHOULD be paying around 14 dollars an hour AND minimum wage SHOULD be around 10 dollars if wages are to keep up with inflation.


my dad started teaching in 1971 and started off making 7K a year. inflation rates calculate that starting teachers by comparison should be making AT LEAST 38k to start. funny thing is I make 38K and i've been teaching for a decade now haha.
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