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Old 06-03-2014, 03:32 PM
 
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Why did they stop doing that and start contracting for it, I wonder?
Insurance liability and vehicle maintenance. At least that was the reason given when my school system stopped. I was one of the last graduating years to have driver's ed. The cars (Ford Tempos) even had the dual-controls.
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Old 06-06-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Class sizes are much smaller than when I was in school. 35 kids in my first grade class. Not a teacher assistant in the whole state.
But you probably didn't have any technology to learn and maintain, teachers didn't have to worry about peanut allergies or kids who couldn't afford lunch, there weren't all of these "progress plans" for certain special-needs kids, and everything wasn't about "teaching to the test."
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Old 06-06-2014, 12:43 PM
 
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What??? You mean things have changed in 20-30 years???
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Old 06-06-2014, 12:46 PM
 
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What??? You mean things have changed in 20-30 years???
+1 (but I must spread it around first)
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Old 06-06-2014, 12:47 PM
 
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Class sizes are much smaller than when I was in school. 35 kids in my first grade class. Not a teacher assistant in the whole state.
This explains a LOT!
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Old 06-06-2014, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Cary
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I'm scratching my head wondering how the hell you folks remember how many kids were in your first grade classes!
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Old 06-06-2014, 01:26 PM
 
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I'm scratching my head wondering how the hell you folks remember how many kids were in your first grade classes!
I remember nothing, there is a photo!
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Old 06-06-2014, 02:18 PM
 
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I've often wondered why Tenure has to be given up in order to get the raise (under this proposal). What is the rational. How does giving up tenure make the raises possible? Is there a good reason for asking teachers to give up tenure or is it simply part of the bargaining and that is the only thing the legislature can ask them to give up.

I can't follow the logic.
I wondered this same thing. How does getting rid of tenure free up room in the budget for pay increases? Maybe because eliminating tenure will make it easier to get rid of more experienced teachers, who cost more? Or is it just a bargaining chip?
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Old 06-06-2014, 02:19 PM
 
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I remember nothing, there is a photo!
Ayup.
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Old 06-07-2014, 05:49 AM
 
Location: NC
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I've often wondered why Tenure has to be given up in order to get the raise (under this proposal). What is the rational. How does giving up tenure make the raises possible? Is there a good reason for asking teachers to give up tenure or is it simply part of the bargaining and that is the only thing the legislature can ask them to give up.

I can't follow the logic.
I think the rationale, and I am not saying I agree with it, is that there are teachers that have tenure that underperform but cannot be fired. However, it is doubtful that such teachers would give tenure in exchange for the raises.

I am curious what others think of the tenure system in general? It seems outdated to me.
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