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Parents, especially fussy parents, aplenty. They complain about holding one exam, they complain about holding a series of tests. Real fun holding a leadership position within WCPSS/ DPI.
I am a parent. I used to be a teacher.
I realized how bad it sucked when I was teaching.
Take it however you like. EOGs are just the US paying Pearson a fat wad of cash because they knew the right palms to grease in Congress.
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My kid is bright and did well in math all year. Not exceptional, but well. He got 3's all year. He did horrible on the EOG so now he is convinced he is horrible at math and will never get it. Now he hates math.
I hate these kinds of test too. I would like tests that are smaller and more often to truly gauge. We were out late the night before the EOGs and he is one that really needs his sleep but there was nothing we could do about it as it was something we had to do.
I also remember being in school in NY and asking questions about what we were learning and being told, sorry, it isn't on the Regents so we don't have time to discuss it. Too many drawbacks on these things.
No, the EOG isn't an end all for a grades, and no, not everyone is going to do well on them due to many variables. But you know what, that's life. All students aren't equal. An average class has students from all parts of the academic spectrum. An average student should get a mid level 3 or C. Most parents think their student is above average but they are not. Blasphemy, I know! Half of the problem with EOGs is the pressure from home to "do your best," when in all actuality that's not good enough. As a parent, I understand the desire for my children to succeed and flourish, but my definition of that is not a 4 or 5 on an EOG. It's just freakin' elementary/middle school. Why does everyone truly care so much!?! Parents need to deprogram themselves of these expectations before they can expect a school system to. You're just buying the crap they are selling!
Heh? I'm not sure what point you're actually trying to make here. Is it that not every kid can/should get a 4 or 5? If so, I don't think any parent would argue with that.
And the issue I have is that my children have consistently scored better on EOGs than they do throughout the year. My youngest daughter brought home a note that she was in danger of failing "Read to Achieve" and being held back. According to her report cards, parent/teacher conferences, etc. she is a pretty average student, who struggles a bit, and quite frankly is not a great test taker. Yet she scored 4s in both math and reading EOGs. Heck, my oldest daughter apparently scored better than 98% of all 6th graders in the state on the math EOG. Yet, she was a borderline A student, and her teacher didn't recommend her for SSA this year. Something just doesn't match up and it causes me to question the value of the EOG for the parent or the student.
And RedZin -- I have to respectfully disagree that if you fail the EOG, they'll hold you back. I know quite a few parents who have fought tooth and nail to hold their kids back a grade, because the administration does not want to hold kids back at all. Some have succeeded and some have not. It's not easy to get held back in WCPSS -- no child left behind (even if they don't understand what they're doing).
Parents, especially fussy parents, aplenty. They complain about holding one exam, they complain about holding a series of tests. Real fun holding a leadership position within WCPSS/ DPI.
you work for the PS? Or are married to someone in a leadership position in WCPSS?
Heh? I'm not sure what point you're actually trying to make here. Is it that not every kid can/should get a 4 or 5? If so, I don't think any parent would argue with that.
And the issue I have is that my children have consistently scored better on EOGs than they do throughout the year. My youngest daughter brought home a note that she was in danger of failing "Read to Achieve" and being held back. According to her report cards, parent/teacher conferences, etc. she is a pretty average student, who struggles a bit, and quite frankly is not a great test taker. Yet she scored 4s in both math and reading EOGs. Heck, my oldest daughter apparently scored better than 98% of all 6th graders in the state on the math EOG. Yet, she was a borderline A student, and her teacher didn't recommend her for SSA this year. Something just doesn't match up and it causes me to question the value of the EOG for the parent or the student.
And RedZin -- I have to respectfully disagree that if you fail the EOG, they'll hold you back. I know quite a few parents who have fought tooth and nail to hold their kids back a grade, because the administration does not want to hold kids back at all. Some have succeeded and some have not. It's not easy to get held back in WCPSS -- no child left behind (even if they don't understand what they're doing).
Hmmm. I have friends who were told their daughter was borderline and if she could not pass the EOG this year, she would be held back unless she attended summer school and passed the EOG at the end of summer school. That's also how it worked when I was teaching. Are you saying they do the reverse?
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Hmmm. I have friends who were told their daughter was borderline and if she could not pass the EOG this year, she would be held back unless she attended summer school and passed the EOG at the end of summer school. That's also how it worked when I was teaching. Are you saying they do the reverse?
Yes, I was also told that my daughter was borderline and if she didn't pass the EOG, she would be held back if she didn't attend summer school. That was the "Read to Achieve" mess earlier this year. There were about 100 3rd grade families at our school that got that notice about half way through the year. The principal held a meeting to explain what was actually going on. Basically, there was NO way your child would physically be held back a grade. At worst, they would actually get promoted to the next grade, with a notation on their record that wouldn't be erased until they passed the previous year's test.
There were a lot of freaked out parents who had no reason to be freaked out. The school district sent out the notices based on BOG scores. I walked into that meeting with the letter from the school district that said my child was in danger of failing and her latest report card, on which she had all 3s and 4s in Reading. So assuming there isn't grade inflation going on in 3rd grade, I continue to take these standardized test results with a grain of salt.
PS -- and to make matters worse, your child didn't even actually have to attend summer school. They had to register and then show up for the final test. The whole thing was a joke.
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