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Old 08-14-2014, 02:03 PM
 
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You mean like many,many other states do? And they never have a problem with it? Buy a house, you get 1 school assignment. Period. Choice isn't always better.
The real issue here is that this is a growing area and assignments or school calendars have to change to accommodate the growth.

This area also prides itself on not creating micro-districts where people buy themselves into the best school in the area, while kids just down the street are going to a lousy school.

They have a place for that. It's called "The NYC Metro Area."

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Old 08-14-2014, 03:34 PM
 
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You mean like many,many other states do? And they never have a problem with it? Buy a house, you get 1 school assignment. Period. Choice isn't always better.
I've lived in a lot of states, and as far as I know, none of them had a "this house is grandfathered" policy. None of them needed to. Somehow they all managed to accommodate address based school zones (yes, even in areas of high growth -- they used trailers and the parents just dealt with it until a new school was built). It's different than "grandfathering an address", which is more like under the table rent-control (you know, like when your grandmother had a rent controlled apartment and you moved in to keep the rent, but failed to notify anyone that your grandmother wasn't still there...).
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Old 08-14-2014, 04:56 PM
 
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Yes Tina good analogy...because what alsoonhappensnin cases like this is "well my parents live inabase zone with a great school so we will just say we live with them"....our district in NY got wise to this and if you couldnnot produce a deed (yes the actual deed) or lease you were not getting your kid registered even if you already had a kid in the school system. When I registered my DD there was a woman at the next table with a license with valid address and they wouldn't even talk to her.
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Old 08-15-2014, 06:04 AM
 
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The real issue here is that this is a growing area and assignments or school calendars have to change to accommodate the growth.

This area also prides itself on not creating micro-districts where people buy themselves into the best school in the area, while kids just down the street are going to a lousy school.

They have a place for that. It's called "The NYC Metro Area."

RedZin, you lost me here. I have actually been wondering why parents are given the option of year round and traditional and not just assigned to one or the other. To me it seems like the board is trying too hard to please everyone. I would think from a cost perspective it would save them money to just give out one assignment without a calendar option. It would reduce the time administrative staff spends reviewing and responding to these transfers. It would also shorten bus routes (more efficient). Magnet options would still remain. I do not see how this would create micro districts? Not trying to be snarky here just trying to understand.

I agree it is a growing area and re-assignments will happen to balance out the numbers at each school. This is the reality of a growing district. We are not paying to build new schools to keep them empty!
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Old 08-15-2014, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Morrisville, NC
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RedZin, you lost me here. I have actually been wondering why parents are given the option of year round and traditional and not just assigned to one or the other. To me it seems like the board is trying too hard to please everyone. I would think from a cost perspective it would save them money to just give out one assignment without a calendar option. It would reduce the time administrative staff spends reviewing and responding to these transfers. It would also shorten bus routes (more efficient). Magnet options would still remain. I do not see how this would create micro districts? Not trying to be snarky here just trying to understand.

I agree it is a growing area and re-assignments will happen to balance out the numbers at each school. This is the reality of a growing district. We are not paying to build new schools to keep them empty!

I do think the board tries too hard to please, but it is not a new thing. I guess that is the issue with an elected body. I can remember 15 years ago when there was a large number of snow days one year and after they announced the days and people whined, they changed them. Much of the issues we have now is from backlash of people being transferred too often so they tried to come up with a different system that would not require kids to be reassigned as much .

Part of this whole problem is the fact that development does not occur in a continuous outward wave. There may be a subdivision, then a farm, then a subdivision. A few years later, the farm sells and a subdivision pops up. If people are not willing to have their kids in woefully overcrowded schools, something has to give.
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Old 08-15-2014, 07:00 AM
 
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RedZin, you lost me here. I have actually been wondering why parents are given the option of year round and traditional and not just assigned to one or the other. To me it seems like the board is trying too hard to please everyone. I would think from a cost perspective it would save them money to just give out one assignment without a calendar option. It would reduce the time administrative staff spends reviewing and responding to these transfers. It would also shorten bus routes (more efficient). Magnet options would still remain. I do not see how this would create micro districts? Not trying to be snarky here just trying to understand.

I agree it is a growing area and re-assignments will happen to balance out the numbers at each school. This is the reality of a growing district. We are not paying to build new schools to keep them empty!
What people really want is neighborhood schools. That won't work in a countywide system, because it creates financial segregation. That's what I meant when I talked about micro districts. And if Margiotta had gotten his way, that is what we would've ultimately had. Our own little school system in Cary with a high concentration of wealth and funding.

Then, you have people who love YR schools, but the reality is that the ones who love traditional will raise a stink about schools going YR and those who love YR generally do not complain if a YR school goes traditional. Originally, YR was an option. Base schools were traditional. That has slowly changed over the years.

Basically, I agree with what Sheriff said.
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Old 08-15-2014, 08:25 AM
 
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What people really want is neighborhood schools. That won't work in a countywide system, because it creates financial segregation.
In your opinion it won't work because it creates financial segregation. There are others who would argue that it would bring the issue of underperforming students to the forefront, because it's harder to bury their test scores when you can't spread them out across the county. So the focus would be on improving the education of those students, rather than averaging out school scores (i.e., "no bad schools").

Of course, that takes resources (money), and we all know how important education is to the NC government. *sigh*
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Old 08-15-2014, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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RedZin, you lost me here. I have actually been wondering why parents are given the option of year round and traditional and not just assigned to one or the other. To me it seems like the board is trying too hard to please everyone.
Actually it had to do with an NC law that determines the latest into the summer a school can run in NC. This had to do with the tourism industry and they were some of the front runners in the fight. It went to court and the courts decided that YR schools can stay, but parents could not be forced into YR, they had to give consent. In order to balance out those who would be assigned to YR schools and opt out for traditional, they let those assigned to traditional schools choose YR if they wanted.
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Old 08-15-2014, 09:02 AM
 
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In your opinion it won't work because it creates financial segregation. There are others who would argue that it would bring the issue of underperforming students to the forefront, because it's harder to bury their test scores when you can't spread them out across the county. So the focus would be on improving the education of those students, rather than averaging out school scores (i.e., "no bad schools").

Of course, that takes resources (money), and we all know how important education is to the NC government. *sigh*
Your last sentence explains why it won't work.

Do we really want "inner city" types of schools in Raleigh?

Do we want overinflated RE prices in Cary or ITB where prices are pretty high already, created by a "buy my kid into the BEST schools" mentality?

I think it's a bad idea.
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Old 08-15-2014, 10:30 AM
 
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Actually it had to do with an NC law that determines the latest into the summer a school can run in NC. This had to do with the tourism industry and they were some of the front runners in the fight. It went to court and the courts decided that YR schools can stay, but parents could not be forced into YR, they had to give consent. In order to balance out those who would be assigned to YR schools and opt out for traditional, they let those assigned to traditional schools choose YR if they wanted.
Thank you for clarifying this.
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