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Old 09-05-2014, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Wake Forest, NY
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Some of them also top the youth suicide rankings.

Japan comes to mind.
Yes. Also North and South Korea.


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Old 09-05-2014, 11:30 AM
 
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No completely false. It is a measure of how much time/work the student has put in. Malcolm Gladwell touches on this in his book Outliers. And yes the countries with the longer school years and more vigorous work requirements top the world rankings.
Huh? You're saying the same thing - it's more about measuring the student than the school. Did I miss something?
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Old 09-05-2014, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Wake Forest, NY
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Huh? You're saying the same thing - it's more about measuring the student than the school. Did I miss something?

Take a student from a poor neighborhood and one from a wealthy neighborhood. If they both put in the time and work they'll both perform highly. The student from the poor area is not predisposed to having lower achievement. The deciding factor is doing the work not the affluence. It is what you said if you define 'the quality student population' by work ethic. credit to Malcolm Gladwell.
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Old 09-05-2014, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Downtown Raleigh
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Good question. The school day is already short. Early release seems redundant.

Efficiency. Interesting subject. Do you know that there is a ranking of school efficiency just like achievement ranking? Top 30 countries. I think we all know where the US ranks in achievement, yes?
We also rank very poorly in bang for the buck. Efficiency. So lets look at the countries that whip us in achievement and efficiency. What jumps out? Yes you guessed it, longer school years and days. Not Ipads and early release.

But all we get is 'we need more money'!!
First, teachers cannot participate in professional development while teaching students. Therefore, the students are released so that teachers can continue professional learning.

Second, do you have any idea what time air conditioning shuts off at a school? Obviously, the answer is no.

Third, you wrote a paragraph about what else is inefficient in schools without saying anything or providing any evidence that longer school days/years are more efficient.
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Old 09-05-2014, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Good question. The school day is already short. Early release seems redundant.

Efficiency. Interesting subject. Do you know that there is a ranking of school efficiency just like achievement ranking? Top 30 countries. I think we all know where the US ranks in achievement, yes?
We also rank very poorly in bang for the buck. Efficiency. So lets look at the countries that whip us in achievement and efficiency. What jumps out? Yes you guessed it, longer school years and days. Not Ipads and early release.
This would be an excellent topic for the General Board on Education, since it is not related to NC or this area. I don't deny that there are things I dispute about the way the USA goes about Education, but there's not much Wake county can do to change the USA.
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Old 09-05-2014, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Wake Forest, NY
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First, teachers cannot participate in professional development while teaching students. Therefore, the students are released so that teachers can continue professional learning.

Second, do you have any idea what time air conditioning shuts off at a school? Obviously, the answer is no.

Third, you wrote a paragraph about what else is inefficient in schools without saying anything or providing any evidence that longer school days/years are more efficient.

Professional development? They had all summer for that. I picked up my daughter today and saw her teacher in the Wake Forest Walmart 45 minutes later. Her teacher is actually superb.

The evidence for higher achievement due to longer school days and years has been published for years. Look back and you'll see where I give credit to a researcher and I name his book. Educate yourself. Turn off the TV and do some reading.
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Old 09-05-2014, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Downtown Raleigh
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Teachers are not employed (paid) in the summer. I don't know about what you saw today, but WCPSS teachers had mandatory professional development this afternoon.

A discussion of a longer school day has nothing to do with inefficiency in WCPSS. It's an entirely different topic far from your original point in this thread.
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Old 09-05-2014, 08:07 PM
 
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First, teachers cannot participate in professional development while teaching students. Therefore, the students are released so that teachers can continue professional learning.
baloney!

my sister earned her 2nd Masters while teaching FT. There's this thing called night school.
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Old 09-05-2014, 08:54 PM
 
Location: My House
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baloney!

my sister earned her 2nd Masters while teaching FT. There's this thing called night school.
Professional development and inservices are not offered at night on any reliable basis.

I, too, earned an MS at night while working FT.

I'm nearly done with a 2nd and starting a 3rd. I work FT.

I used to teach. It is difficult to do much of anything BUT teach. Especially if you are married with young kids.
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Old 09-06-2014, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Downtown Raleigh
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baloney!

my sister earned her 2nd Masters while teaching FT. There's this thing called night school.
Professional Development (in this case) means school system-provided experiences during paid work hours.
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