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Old 09-05-2014, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Apex NC, the Peak of Good Loving.
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Service Experts is affiliated with Lennox in some way.
Google answered this question. Lennox owns Service Experts, and has since 2000.

Lennox buys service experts

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Old 09-05-2014, 02:16 PM
 
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R22 is still much more expensive than R410A but still ridiculous what an HVAC company marks it up to. You can buy a 30# container of R22 for $350 roughly, or under $12/lb. Latest figures I heard were folks were getting charged around $60-$70/lb.
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Old 09-06-2014, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Morrisville, NC
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I just checked the price of R-22 and it was only a little more than R410. Plenty of it available.
But, R-22 has been phased out and R-410 has not. The price of 22 will increase as time goes on. You'll notice I was speaking to anticipated future costs.
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Old 09-06-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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But, R-22 has been phased out and R-410 has not. The price of 22 will increase as time goes on. You'll notice I was speaking to anticipated future costs.
R12 has dropped in price because of the significant lack in demand for it

R410A most likely will be phased out in the (nearer) future. It has an extremely high GWP, higher than R134A, which was recently given it's phase out schedule.

Really a moot point, if the leak is fixed hermetic sealed systems like resi HVAC units don't consume refrigerant.
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Old 09-07-2014, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Wake Forest, NY
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Apparently there's plenty of R-22 around because AC pros have to reclaim it when they change a system over. A 30lb cylinder of R-22 can be bought for around $250.
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Old 09-07-2014, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Morrisville, NC
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R12 has dropped in price because of the significant lack in demand for it

R410A most likely will be phased out in the (nearer) future. It has an extremely high GWP, higher than R134A, which was recently given it's phase out schedule.

Really a moot point, if the leak is fixed hermetic sealed systems like resi HVAC units don't consume refrigerant.
R12 has been gone for a long time. Maybe R22 has dropped in price since I had to have my system topped off a couple of years ago. I'm sure R410a will eventually be phased out but there are no current or proposed plans for that and while it does have a high GWP it is about the same as R22 that it replaced. Unless they go to propane or ammonia systems it will be some time before a more typical refrigerant will be developed that does not have a high GWP.

So right now, 22 can't be made, only recaptured and 410a can still be produced. It seems like there is a much higher cost pressure on 22 for some time.
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Old 09-08-2014, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Wake Forest, NY
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Just give you a quick tale of one of my neighbors escapades. He did not have a lot of cash to replace a seized 10 SEER unit, R-22. After numerous massive estimates to replace it all with R-410 he bought a R-22 'replacement ' unit. SEER 13. He was never told by any companies that this was possible. He paid a pro to suck the gas out of the old unit/system. Had the new 'replacement ' unit installed, vacuumed and charged. He has R-22 left over and htrough his research found that the scary stories of R-22 becoming very expensive and unobtainable was just a story.
The new unit runs/works great and even lowered his electric bill. Cost? $825 for the unit and $500 for install and R-22.

There are cheaper options out there.
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Old 09-08-2014, 08:35 PM
 
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I just checked the Lennox website and the type of unit (heat pump) that I have is NOT part of the 10 year warranty period. I think it's a 13 SEER as the model starts with 13 (if that's even how you tell). If we decide to go for a new system, any recommendations as to brand/model/etc? Also where to buy from and who to install? I don't want to ask A/C companies directly as I'd wonder if I was getting unbiased info....

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Old 09-08-2014, 09:02 PM
 
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I just checked the Lennox website and the type of unit (heat pump) that I have is NOT part of the 10 year warranty period. I think it's a 13 SEER as the model starts with 13 (if that's even how you tell). If we decide to go for a new system, any recommendations as to brand/model/etc? Also where to buy from and who to install? I don't want to ask A/C companies directly as I'd wonder if I was getting unbiased info....

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I would still call the manufacturer to make sure regarding the coil warranty because you can't always go by what you read on the Internet. Regarding your other questions, you might as well open pandora's box because you know as they say opinions are like blow holes and everybody has one, as is the case with HVAC choices. The answer depends on your specific situation regarding how much you want to spend, how long you intend to live in the home, cooling needs, etc which varies from family to family. You can buy units on the Internet, but be warned they do not have warranty coverage from the manufacturer and about the only brand you can buy online is Goodman. So if you want a higher end system then you'll have to use an HVAC company or get your own HVAC license in order to purchase equipment from an HVAC distributor warehouse.
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Old 09-09-2014, 04:46 AM
 
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Just give you a quick tale of one of my neighbors escapades. He did not have a lot of cash to replace a seized 10 SEER unit, R-22. After numerous massive estimates to replace it all with R-410 he bought a R-22 'replacement ' unit. SEER 13. He was never told by any companies that this was possible. He paid a pro to suck the gas out of the old unit/system. Had the new 'replacement ' unit installed, vacuumed and charged. He has R-22 left over and htrough his research found that the scary stories of R-22 becoming very expensive and unobtainable was just a story.
The new unit runs/works great and even lowered his electric bill. Cost? $825 for the unit and $500 for install and R-22.

There are cheaper options out there.
Dry R22 units are still available. They just can't come pre-charged. Like you said not a big deal.

For some reason HVAC has been one of those things that DIY'ers don't dabble in and consumers get taken left and right by those in the business. The systems themselves are incredibly simple.
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