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US NEWS ranks Carolina's comp sci program 25th to NC State's 48th
Carolina ahead in computer science research and academia
NC State, as a vocational school, focuses on workforce training
If you wanna do advanced research and work for google -> UNC
If you wanna get hired quick locally -> State
Really looking forward to Wolfpack defenders try to make the case for state against UNC with such a better ranking. I'm always impressed by how loyal state fans are...if not a little deluded.
I've got a Computer Science degree from State and have worked locally for over 25 years at a handful of companies in the area (about half the time at IBM). If I had a to guess, I'd say ~40% of the engineers I've worked with over the years went to State (in either Comp Sci, EE, or Comp Eng), with Virginia Tech and then Clemson being next. I've probably worked with as many people from Purdue or Penn St as I have from UNC-CH. I've worked with really good people from all of those schools, so not saying anything negative about the UNC-CH program.
A couple of companies I worked for were based in San Jose, and both companies had several NC State grads living out there. With one of those companies, I was the first person hired for what would become a NC site. The VP of Engineering that interviewed me mentioned that NC State had a very good reputation out there and that was key when they looked to open another location.I also remember watching a big game years ago when I was out in California for work one time with a Silicon Valley-based Wolfpack Club group. Pretty sizable group, so there's definitely a good presence out there.
US NEWS ranks Carolina's comp sci program 25th to NC State's 48th
Carolina ahead in computer science research and academia
NC State, as a vocational school, focuses on workforce training
If you wanna do advanced research and work for google -> UNC
If you wanna get hired quick locally -> State
Really looking forward to Wolfpack defenders try to make the case for state against UNC with such a better ranking. I'm always impressed by how loyal state fans are...if not a little deluded.
If you want to feel elite without actually having to be elite...
"David Kuo • 20 hours ago
UNC is the modern plantation. In America today can you think of a more institutionally misogynistic and racist entity than UNC? This latest attempt to save men’s basketball only provides further evidence for this truth. Everything and everyone must be sacrificed to save the men’s basketball program and somehow preserve the reputation of Dean Smith. Having already thrown their academic reputation into the flames along with a number of low-level staffers (all women and/or minorities), the old white guys running the Ram’s Club have decided that Sylvia Hatchell will be the next sacrifice offered up."
Learning from someone who leads by example is a bad idea? Versus someone who has never earned a dime using their skill outside of an academic environment, where their job is funded by state tax money (and guaranteed by a bizarre system of campus politics rather than based on their teaching effectiveness or overall job performance).
I'm not telling anyone that University of Phoenix or whatever is the best place to get a computer science degree. Some of these for-profit schools are diploma mills I'm sure and some of them will have their accreditation called into question at some point, just as UNC-CH has had its accreditation called into question.
What I'm saying is that ANY company that places an emphasis on where the candidate graduated from versus how they perform on the interview questions (assuming entry level who has no experience) or better yet, their actual experience is simply not worth working for.
Some for-profit learning options not only teach the same theory that the relatively fraudulent academics who have never actually had their skills put to any real test in a professional environment, but they are able to apply it to real world situations.
The person who actually shows up at the job interview is going to be a product of who they are, their own ability to learn, their own passion for the subjects at hand, and what they've taken the initiative to figure out on their own. If they do not understand algorithms and data structures, and it is an important skill for the job, they should be tested for those skills during the interview process. If it is not directly applicable to the job then the hiring manager should be fired for creating an invalid hiring process.
Getting a CS degree from a "prestigious" school (and we all know that means "the one with the strongest sports following") does not guarantee that the student will remember much of this theory five years out of school. I have met CS graduates from well-regarded public universities who were unable to work in the profession they originally set out to pursue, because they just "don't have it" -- the acumen required to get the job done -- and they ended up working in a different field altogether.
In terms of spending money on education, the cost of education (whether at public, private, for-profit or non-profit) is already at the point where ANYONE who spends the money on it is automatically going to have their credibility in question, because at the end of it all they only end up with a piece of paper that says nothing whatsoever of their actual ability to perform in a related profession environment. It might say a lot about their ability to stand up in front of a class, issue exams and grade papers, but working in computer science academically requires a completely different set of skills than being successful in the real world.
Learning from someone who leads by example is a bad idea? Versus someone who has never earned a dime using their skill outside of an academic environment, where their job is funded by state tax money (and guaranteed by a bizarre system of campus politics rather than based on their teaching effectiveness or overall job performance).
I'm not telling anyone that University of Phoenix or whatever is the best place to get a computer science degree. Some of these for-profit schools are diploma mills I'm sure and some of them will have their accreditation called into question at some point, just as UNC-CH has had its accreditation called into question.
What I'm saying is that ANY company that places an emphasis on where the candidate graduated from versus how they perform on the interview questions (assuming entry level who has no experience) or better yet, their actual experience is simply not worth working for.
Some for-profit learning options not only teach the same theory that the relatively fraudulent academics who have never actually had their skills put to any real test in a professional environment, but they are able to apply it to real world situations.
The person who actually shows up at the job interview is going to be a product of who they are, their own ability to learn, their own passion for the subjects at hand, and what they've taken the initiative to figure out on their own. If they do not understand algorithms and data structures, and it is an important skill for the job, they should be tested for those skills during the interview process. If it is not directly applicable to the job then the hiring manager should be fired for creating an invalid hiring process.
Getting a CS degree from a "prestigious" school (and we all know that means "the one with the strongest sports following") does not guarantee that the student will remember much of this theory five years out of school. I have met CS graduates from well-regarded public universities who were unable to work in the profession they originally set out to pursue, because they just "don't have it" -- the acumen required to get the job done -- and they ended up working in a different field altogether.
In terms of spending money on education, the cost of education (whether at public, private, for-profit or non-profit) is already at the point where ANYONE who spends the money on it is automatically going to have their credibility in question, because at the end of it all they only end up with a piece of paper that says nothing whatsoever of their actual ability to perform in a related profession environment. It might say a lot about their ability to stand up in front of a class, issue exams and grade papers, but working in computer science academically requires a completely different set of skills than being successful in the real world.
Getting a solid fundamental education and learning from those with experience are not mutually exclusive. Go to college and get a job, at the same time if you manage it.
Sounds like somebody didn't get the job they wanted.
Looks like one of those hiring managers (or at least an aspiring one) I was talking about in my first message just raised their hand.
And, I have exactly the job I want, as well as a masters degree from a public non-profit university. But I have also attended courses that were for-profit and taught by people with actual real world experience, not the on-campus facade, so I have quite an accurate first hand perspective on the differences.
Getting a solid fundamental education and learning from those with experience are not mutually exclusive. Go to college and get a job, at the same time if you manage it.
I wasn't saying they were mutually exclusive, I was responding to the OP who seems to believe that one schools computer science program is going to matter more than another when it comes time to interview. My only point is that if it does make any difference, it's only because the hiring manager is a stooge that has a sports team bias or a preference for their own alma mater.
I wasn't saying they were mutually exclusive, I was responding to the OP who seems to believe that one schools computer science program is going to matter more than another when it comes time to interview. My only point is that if it does make any difference, it's only because the hiring manager is a stooge that has a sports team bias or a preference for their own alma mater.
Getting a CS degree from a "prestigious" school (and we all know that means "the one with the strongest sports following")
Right, because the first thing I think of when I think of MIT, the Ivy leagues, even half the big 10 schools is their sports teams. Outside of NC, a majority couldn't even tell you what conference NCSU plays in.
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Originally Posted by Flying Tiger
UNC CH in US news and world report's ranking is much better than NC State.
my question is, graduates from which one are more popular in companies like I B M, Google, Cisco and other Silicon Valley startups?
The answer to that is Probably Stanford . Also, none of the companies you listed are what one would call a startup anymore. SAS might have a preference towards NCSU grads, given its and Mr. Goodnight's historic ties to the university.
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. Also, none of the companies you listed are what one would call a startup anymore. SAS might have a preference towards NCSU grads, given its and Mr. Goodnight's historic ties to the university.
