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I would consider that "over sharing", and catering to potential stalkers, unless I somehow found reason to do so that supports my argument.
My argument is that the candidate is who they are, regardless of what school they went to. Therefore I have no real incentive to provide identifying information to random strangers who are looking for tactics to disagree with me over the Internet.
Right, because the first thing I think of when I think of MIT, the Ivy leagues, even half the big 10 schools is their sports teams. Outside of NC, a majority couldn't even tell you what conference NCSU plays in.
The answer to that is Probably Stanford . Also, none of the companies you listed are what one would call a startup anymore. SAS might have a preference towards NCSU grads, given its and Mr. Goodnight's historic ties to the university.
Well as I said, sports team or alma mater bias. Nothing creates an inbred environment better than hiring preference for a particular local school because upper management has more t-shirts with that color on it in their closet.
I would consider that "over sharing", and catering to potential stalkers, unless I somehow found reason to do so that supports my argument.
My argument is that the candidate is who they are, regardless of what school they went to. Therefore I have no real incentive to provide identifying information to random strangers who are looking for tactics to disagree with me over the Internet.
ok you seem to be speaking from a position of bias
ok you seem to be speaking from a position of bias
Things aren't always as they seem, but yes perhaps I am biased against companies that would give hiring preference to one school versus another. I've worked at a lot of organizations throughout my career, and I have seen that type of company, thus the bias.
I wasn't saying they were mutually exclusive, I was responding to the OP who seems to believe that one schools computer science program is going to matter more than another when it comes time to interview. My only point is that if it does make any difference, it's only because the hiring manager is a stooge that has a sports team bias or a preference for their own alma mater.
What you seem to be missing is that where it makes a HUGE difference is for the person, fresh out of school (with no experience), trying to get their first job. A person with a degree from a reputable school is more likely to get the chance to show well in an interview, than the person who did not get to the table.
I've always said a college education is good for (at least) two things:
1. to teach you how to learn, and how to open your mind to a bigger universe, and
2. to get you your first job.
After that, it's all about what you do with it, and would support your comments.
Your original response was wrong, and seemed to be very condescending. Too bad your couple of good points got lost in that. One of the values of going to a not-for-profit school is they teach you more than just a trade.
What you seem to be missing is that where it makes a HUGE difference is for the person, fresh out of school (with no experience), trying to get their first job. A person with a degree from a reputable school is more likely to get the chance to show well in an interview, than the person who did not get to the table.
There have been entire books written about the hiring process at Google, one comes to mind about specific coding questions that was written by someone who used to conduct the coding interviews there. "What school did you go to" is not even a relevant factor.
I do understand that this may be the case in some unfortunate organizations, but my point was that it should not be. The school someone went to does not define how they will perform on the job. The simple evaluation of whether one school is better than the other is subjective, and any competent hiring manager would understand that. Therefore, anyone interviewing at a company that gives preference to one school over another is by very definition applying at an incompetent organization.
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I've always said a college education is good for (at least) two things:
1. to teach you how to learn, and how to open your mind to a bigger universe, and
2. to get you your first job.
After that, it's all about what you do with it, and would support your comments.
Your original response was wrong, and seemed to be very condescending. Too bad your couple of good points got lost in that. One of the values of going to a not-for-profit school is they teach you more than just a trade.
I'm sorry that the points I made that you liked got overshadowed by the ones you didn't like. But just know that for-profit schools often teach exactly the same curriculum for a given degree as their tax-funded counterparts. If you get a bachelors degree you are going to have course exposure to many subjects outside the core curriculum. That has nothing to do with for or not for profit. You may be confusing liberal arts colleges with community colleges or boot-camp type programs.
UNC CH in US news and world report's ranking is much better than NC State.
my question is, graduates from which one are more popular in companies like I B M, Google, Cisco and other Silicon Valley startups?
To answer your question, it really depends on what you want to do with it. Computer science is a VERY BROAD field. If you are to apply it to industrial applications, or more of the Engineering angle, then I'd think that NCSU is going to be more recognized. If you are applying to traditional "IT" stuff, it seems your research points to UNC (I have not done the research). I would also say that the UNC Brand is probably more broadly recognized outside of the Southeast (hence the 'which team' analogy) than NCSU, but both are reputable schools.
As Mr. Conservative Blinders Talking Points has pointed out, the logo on your diploma is only a small part of the equation. It 'might' get you to the interview, but the competition for jobs is fierce right now, and you have to be a well rounded candidate to get to the interview, much less land the job. It is much more important to differentiate yourself, and to learn a marketable expertise in the field of your ambitions.
No employer in their right mind is going to make their hiring decision based on UNC vs State unless they have a bone to pick with that particular institution.
What matters is that you get the degree, get the best GPA you can and GET RELEVANT WORK EXPERIENCE along the way. If you work on some projects or intern at some companies before you graduate, you will be a very attractive candidate.
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. Also, none of the companies you listed are what one would call a startup anymore. SAS might have a preference towards NCSU grads, given its and Mr. Goodnight's historic ties to the university.
you seem to be speaking from a position of bias
