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Another big difference and one reason I prefer mossberg is that on an 870 the ejector is riveted to the frame. If that breaks, it needs to go back to Remington. On a mossberg, the ejector is held in with a screw/bolt so installation and repair is done within minutes. I have a 590A1 that I love and is an absolute tank, little heavier based on the thicker barrel as well as the trigger guard being steel.
I was mistaken. It's been so long since I bought the gun that I was referring to with the thumb safety. It's a Savage Westpoint model 167, Not a Mossberg. Plain Jane and has a very used look. I was my own pusher for small game so it's taken a beating. Very inexpensive gun at the time (1980), very rugged and dependable.
I was mistaken. It's been so long since I bought the gun that I was referring to with the thumb safety. It's a Savage Westpoint model 167, Not a Mossberg. Plain Jane and has a very used look. I was my own pusher for small game so it's taken a beating. Very inexpensive gun at the time (1980), very rugged and dependable.
I believe your statement was correct, the thumb safety on the mossberg is on the top versus on the trigger guard. I was just stating another reason I prefer mossberg, the ability to easily replace parts myself versus having send to the factory.
Shotguns are great but not something that can safely be stored nearby for emergencies if you have kids. A small handgun safe with a fingerprint reader can be an option for safety.
Sure they can. I have mine mounted to the wall behind the door.
I did the class at the Wake County Fire Arms center. It's was an entire day and a little bit of shooting. It's a pretty nice place to go pop off a few rounds.
The 870 is a nice gun but with one drawback: the safety. It's on the rear of the trigger guard. I have an old cheapie mossberg that has a top thumb safety. I was able to raise up and release the safety quick enough to line up shots on grouse. Had I been walking with my 870 I would have never hit a bird. It was used for slugs/deer. Should a shotgun be your choice of arms, consider the safety mechanism before buying. The thumb safety's are quieter as well.
That is the exact reason I went with a Mossberg model, the 930 to be exact.
I looked at the Remington (and my grandfather had a long barreled "non-express" one too) but just couldn't get over the safety mechanism. As someone who doesn't use a gun very often at all, I wanted a simple brainless "forward is armed, back is disarmed" mechanism.
I bought a Mossberg 930, which is the semi-auto version of the 500. I wanted semi-auto because I just wanted to pull the trigger, not have to worry about short stroking the reloading mechanism under stress. Another benefit of the semi-auto guns is a lot less recoil, because the reloading mechanism uses recoil from the shell to eject it and advance the next one.
Sorry, but I disagree that a handgun and an AR-15 are better for home defense. True they hold more rounds, but you're more likely to hit your target with a shotgun. Buckshot or a slug is less likely to penetrate compared to a handgun, and especially an AR. An AR-15 will go through the walls of your house and probably your neighbors as well.
If you are shooting at something that's only a few feet away, any sort of firearm will only require point & shoot.
Also, AR-15 .223/5.56 rounds penetrate much less than handgun and shotgun rounds. After a piece of drywall or two, the rounds break up into fragments, which don't penetrate very well. This is also an interesting read: .223 Drywall Penetration: Results
May stop at the local gun show this weekend at fairgrounds and look for my 1st choice, Smith & Wesson M&P Bodyguard .38 Special Revolver w/ Crimson Trace® Integral Laser.
It's hammer-less (can't get caught-up in clothing) with a crimson laser I plan to zero in at 20 feet.
14 oz., unloaded.
Wife is also sort of interested, after seeing the response time for this holster demonstration:
Shotguns are great but are messy in a small area, damage to walls, etc difficult to control projectile path, etc. Also all should check the laws in your area regarding deadly force, etc.
May stop at the local gun show this weekend at fairgrounds and look for my 1st choice, Smith & Wesson M&P Bodyguard .38 Special Revolver w/ Crimson Trace® Integral Laser.
It's hammer-less (can't get caught-up in clothing) with a crimson laser I plan to zero in at 20 feet.
14 oz., unloaded.
Wife is also sort of interested, after seeing the response time for this holster demonstration:
Test shoot it before buying. When I took a basic handgun class someone had a .38. From what I remember no one could shoot it accurately. Short barrel, high bore axis and kick. Granted, they were using the iron sights. But, they could not get off several shots in a row and keep it on target at close range. You have military experience so you may not have issues. The same person having issues with the .38 tried a 9mm semi and said they were going to change.
Appreciate the remarks about the .38; I've had others tell me offline to be aware of any revolver's cylinder gap and keep fingers, eyes away from front of cylinder.
Will definitely "try before I buy" --and back in 1968-69 I was in a bit better physical shape!
and, we never wore any wussy ear protection! ;-)
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