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Old 05-18-2016, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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shouldn't we be paying 100% - if not more for the purpose of gathering reserves - for something as critical as water?

I'm paying $60-$70/mo for 4 people + 1 dog. That's easily my least expensive average utility.

 
Old 05-19-2016, 02:01 AM
 
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Here's a fun fact I learned today from Raleigh City Council. What you pay for your water only covers 80% of the actual cost. The rest of the cost is covered through the general fund which is supported by taxes collected.

Let that sink in for a minute CapitalBlvd. You are unhappy with how much you pay for water and you aren't even paying the actual cost.

#TheMoreYouKnow
This is like flying Spirit Airlines. The flight is only a small part of your bill.

This kind of mentality is what caused long Island to become a tax trap. Do not accept the lies of city government.
 
Old 05-19-2016, 05:03 AM
 
Location: NC
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Where I live, water is free, except for the electricity required to pump it. Guess having your own well does have its benefits.
 
Old 05-19-2016, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Morrisville, NC
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This is like flying Spirit Airlines. The flight is only a small part of your bill.

This kind of mentality is what caused long Island to become a tax trap. Do not accept the lies of city government.
So, what you're saying is the city is publishing their budget and it's all lies? That they have line items for things that are not actually going to those things? Even though people could literally go to jail for that?
 
Old 05-19-2016, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Downtown Raleigh
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(Raleigh, Garner, Rolesville, Wake Forest, Beechwood and Richland Hills)

The Watershed Protection Fee has increased $0.0748 to $0.1122 per CCF.

The City of Raleigh adopted a $0.75 increase in their Residential Solid Waste Fee.

Waste and Waste Water (Sewer) Infrastructure Replacement Charge has increased for all meter sizes. This charge helps to fund replacement of aging infrastructure. The new charges will be billed to utilities customers serviced by the City of Raleigh.

Raleigh, Garner, Rolesville, Wake Forest

On June 15, 2015, Raleigh's City Council adopted the official schedule of rates, charges and rents for water, sewer and reuse water utility billed on or after July 1, 2015 regardless of the date of delivery of service, for the Raleigh, Garner, Rolesville and Wake Forest service delivery areas. (Ordinance No. 2015-452)


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(A CCF is 748 gallons.)

Water rates for Raleigh, Garner, Rolesville and Wake Forest have 3 rate tiers based on consumption. Each tier is billed at a different rate.

Residential Water Rates (Inside City Limits):

Tier 1 = 0-4 CCF billed at $2.42
Tier 2 = 5-10 CCF billed at $4.03
Tier 3 = 11+ CCF billed at $5.38
Non-Residential Water Rate: $3.13

Irrigation Rate: $5.38

1 CCF = 748 gallons

To determine the amount of water used in gallons, simply multiply the number of CCFs (the consumption number on the water bill) by 748.


https://www.raleighnc.gov/home/conte...positFees.html
 
Old 05-19-2016, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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This is like flying Spirit Airlines. The flight is only a small part of your bill.

This kind of mentality is what caused long Island to become a tax trap. Do not accept the lies of city government.
So you don't think that we should help pay for the infrastructure that brings water to your house?
 
Old 05-21-2016, 08:54 AM
 
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So you don't think that we should help pay for the infrastructure that brings water to your house?
To our homes, fine. To support the new development, No.

Builders should fund the infrastructure needs they create.

However, NC operates on a "growth is always good" policy. It is not good when unfunded demands are created for all taxpayers.

The city has to be lying that decreased sale of water requires fee increases. So, what are the new residents and businesses using for water?
 
Old 05-21-2016, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Research Triangle, NC
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To our homes, fine. To support the new development, No.

Builders should fund the infrastructure needs they create.


However, NC operates on a "growth is always good" policy. It is not good when unfunded demands are created for all taxpayers.

The city has to be lying that decreased sale of water requires fee increases. So, what are the new residents and businesses using for water?
I'm pretty sure they do for the most part. I can't picture the city running water or power lines to a new development out of the goodness of their hearts.

But everyone who uses the system contributes to the system's maintenance when they pay their bill every month. That's not something that any developer should be on the hook for once the pipes are in place. So if I, living in NE Raleigh, am inadvertently paying for pipes in SW Raleigh to not be rusty and poisonous, then so be it.

As far as I know we're all drinking each other's water anyway.
 
Old 05-21-2016, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I'm sure maintenance is an issue though and pipes will constantly have to be replaced (so we don't have a Flint scenario here). Once the builders put in the pipes, the city takes over maintenance and only adds to the maintenance costs. As the system grows, obviously more cost will be required to maintain the system. Not sure how you can hold the builders accountable for maintenance costs after the system is built.
 
Old 05-21-2016, 10:35 AM
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Location: Cary, NC
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City of Raleigh Development Fee Schedule

Quite the list of developer contributions to capital expenses.
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