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Old 07-25-2016, 09:09 AM
 
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you can rent a goat to do that! I forget where but I looked into it to eat ivy at our old house. Ultimately didn't do it because we wound up moving.
The Goat Squad | The Greenest Way to Remove Vegetation!

Also, I would think any landscaping company would be able to rototill the OPs yard. Then he/she could seed for the micoclover after that. Wouldn't that work? You can also rent rototillers from Home Depot, which, depending on the size and layout of your yard, is not that difficult to do yourself.
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Old 07-25-2016, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Oxxford Hunt, Cary NC
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My front yard has barely any grass - I'm totally going to plant microclover. The neighborhood rabbits will like my yard even more!
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Old 07-25-2016, 10:56 AM
 
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How does microclover differ from 'regular' (Dutch white) clover?
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Old 07-25-2016, 02:30 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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There's a big difference between something not causing adverse human effects and being considered "Environmentally Friendly".
lol, I'm guessing there are no herbicides that are "environmentally friendly". Glyphosate has no soil activity and binds readily to soil colloids. Doesn't leach, doesn't move off-target unless mis-applied, isn't a carcinogen...so just what exactly is "environmentally friendly"? Would you consider dihydrogen monoxide "environmentally friendly"?
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Old 07-25-2016, 02:37 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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My grass is volunteer grass. It's not really a "lawn" per se, it's just whatever grass (and weeds) managed to grow after the house was built.
Unless you want it to come back you need to roto it, water it, roto it probably 3 times total. Especially if it's crabgrass.
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Old 07-25-2016, 07:30 PM
 
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lol, I'm guessing there are no herbicides that are "environmentally friendly". Glyphosate has no soil activity and binds readily to soil colloids. Doesn't leach, doesn't move off-target unless mis-applied, isn't a carcinogen...so just what exactly is "environmentally friendly"? Would you consider dihydrogen monoxide "environmentally friendly"?
I LOL at your "unless misapplied" comment. I guess somebodies doing it wrong because USGS keeps finding it in their surface water samples. So it's moving "off target" one way or another. Lol.
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:22 AM
 
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Well you may laugh but if you ever studied herbicides and herbicide usage you would understand that round-up replaced some rather mean chemicals and agriculture methods that were rough on the environment. Meanwhile our food supply has increase dramatically to meet global needs. You need to do a risk-benefit analysis on something a little larger than a tiny garden plot or front yard.

And it is not the main ingredient that is in question it is one of the detergents used to help the main ingredient spread onto the leaves. That can and will and has been changed once it was found to be a potential problem.
Round-up is absolutely lethal and should be outlawed.
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:30 AM
 
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That article in Scientific American originally ran at Environmental Health News, a news source published by Environmental Health Sciences, a nonprofit media company. Not considered a peer reviewed article. There have been no scientifically substantiated reports of adverse human effects (commonly called 6a2's) reported from the use of glyphosate (or GMO's, for that matter). The EPA even concluded that glyphosate was safe!
Sorry, no. There have been plenty of scientifically substantiated reports of adverse human effects reported from the use of glyphosate. Hence: it's being outlawed in Europe: Why Europe may ban the most popular weed killer in the world | Science | AAAS.

As for the EPA: are you kidding me? They also gave the thumbs-up to Atrazine, the most heavily used pesticide in the U.S., made by a Swiss company that can't sell it in Switzerland or anywhere else in Europe. Epidemiological studies have found that it very likely has a seriously destructive impact on human health, and to children, in particular--yet it is now in our water systems. Industry/political interests invaded U.S. governmental watchdog organizations a long time ago.
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Old 07-26-2016, 06:33 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Sorry, no. There have been plenty of scientifically substantiated reports of adverse human effects reported from the use of glyphosate. Hence: it's being outlawed in Europe: Why Europe may ban the most popular weed killer in the world | Science | AAAS.

As for the EPA: are you kidding me? They also gave the thumbs-up to Atrazine, the most heavily used pesticide in the U.S., made by a Swiss company that can't sell it in Switzerland or anywhere else in Europe. Epidemiological studies have found that it very likely has a seriously destructive impact on human health, and to children, in particular--yet it is now in our water systems. Industry/political interests invaded U.S. governmental watchdog organizations a long time ago.
EU concerns with glyphosate are risk based, not hazard based. At a high enough concentration EVERYTHING is a risk (water, salt, pickles organic apples...). But, those risks can be mitigated when products, etc. are used properly so tat the hazard is minimized. You driving a car involves a risk of injury/death. However, you reduce that risk by being a prudent/cautious driver (right?).

I would suggest you review the registration / re-registration requirements for pesticides in the U.S. I've included a link to help you understand exactly what is involved in the process. https://www.epa.gov/pesticide-regist...e-registration
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Old 07-26-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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But, those risks can be mitigated when products, etc. are used properly so that the hazard is minimized.
Again, the assumption here is that the product is always used properly and therefore poses no or minimal risk. Problem is the product is not always "used properly" and it isn't something you really want to get into the water. Is the product evil and the worst thing in the world? Well no, I'm not saying that. But calling roundup "environmentally friendly" is like calling a cheeseburger healthy simply because it has less calories than a chocolate milkshake.
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