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Old 10-20-2016, 07:37 AM
 
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My problem with the transit initiative is not how it's financed. The projected increases in bus service offer almost nothing for people whose jobs are outside I-440. It's still focused on downtown Raleigh.
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Old 10-20-2016, 07:41 AM
 
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Old 10-20-2016, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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My problem with the transit initiative is not how it's financed. The projected increases in bus service offer almost nothing for people whose jobs are outside I-440. It's still focused on downtown Raleigh.
I completely agree with you but that's something that they studied when they were discussing whether to go after higher ridership vs. wider transit coverage. Public input showed that 70% of people preferred the ridership route vs. 30% for the coverage route.

I think going after people who are more likely to take transit near downtown Raleigh is a good way to go about it initially with Raleigh's situation (and providing access to people who work at RTP). If you expanded bus service everywhere and few people took it, people would be coming out of the woodwork to say what a failure public transit is and it wouldn't be able to gain future support. If you expand bus service though where people are going to take it and it is at least moderately successful, you have a better chance to expand it in the future when that comes.
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Old 10-20-2016, 09:54 AM
 
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But I do bet it makes zero sense financially.

What if we took that $1B and spent it on the WCPSS?
Amen! The schools need it desparately. I don't mind paying the extra if it's for the greater good but I would prefer to vote on one to benefit the schools.
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Old 10-20-2016, 10:00 AM
 
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Amen! The schools need it desparately. I don't mind paying the extra if it's for the greater good but I would prefer to vote on one to benefit the schools.



Schools, schools, schools.....where does all that NC Education Lottery money go?
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Old 10-20-2016, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Schools, schools, schools.....where does all that NC Education Lottery money go?
Apparently only a quarter of the lottery proceeds go to schools. With all the people moving here each day and the need for so many new schools, that's not enough.

NC Education Lottery: Where is the Money? - WECT TV6-WECT.com:News, weather & sports Wilmington, NC

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The remaining 35% goes to education proceeds, broken down as follows:
Before any proceeds are paid, 5% of the proceeds (1.75% of the total) goes to the Education Lottery Reserve Fund to be used when lottery proceeds fall short. This fund may not exceed $100 million.
Fifty percent of the remainder (16.625% of the total) goes towards the reduction of class sizes.
Forty percent of the remainder (13.3% of the total) is used for school construction.
Sixty-five percent of the above (8.645% of the total) is distributed based on school enrollment.
The remaining 35% (4.655% of the total) is distributed to counties with effective property tax rates above North Carolina's average based on school enrollment.
Ten percent of the remainder (3.325% of the total) are distributed for college scholarships, to be used with the federal Pell Grant.
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Old 10-20-2016, 11:23 AM
 
Location: West Raleigh
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Amen! The schools need it desparately. I don't mind paying the extra if it's for the greater good but I would prefer to vote on one to benefit the schools.
There will be a school bond on the ballot in 2018, so you have a chance to vote on that then but having one doesn't mean we can't have the other too!

For reference:

From this May: Wake County school board approves $1.98 billion building program | News & Observer

From this June: Wake County waits till 2018 for school bond vote | News & Observer
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Old 10-20-2016, 12:52 PM
 
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There will be a school bond on the ballot in 2018, so you have a chance to vote on that then but having one doesn't mean we can't have the other too!

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From this May: Wake County school board approves $1.98 billion building program | News & Observer

From this June: Wake County waits till 2018 for school bond vote | News & Observer
No bonds. We need developers and companies to pay for infrastructure or just don't come here.
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Old 10-20-2016, 01:00 PM
 
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I'm voting no. Increase teachers salary and invest into schools. It's so sad how poorly teachers are paid and the insane amount of work they do. Then start paying police, fire, and emt more money too. These people take these jobs because they want to make a difference and they are not compensated accordingly.
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Old 10-20-2016, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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There will be a school bond on the ballot in 2018, so you have a chance to vote on that then but having one doesn't mean we can't have the other too!

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From this May: Wake County school board approves $1.98 billion building program | News & Observer

From this June: Wake County waits till 2018 for school bond vote | News & Observer
X-ACTLY.

Money is so cheap right now to get quick construction financed, and Bonds hedge against inflation while passing some of the costs on to people who are not here yet.

There are two different issues:
Schools and Infrastructure. Denying one does not mean that the other will be adequately funded.
I will vote YES for schools, and YES for infrastructure.
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