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Old 12-14-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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The Wake County school system barred several school choirs from performing at this year’s Apex Christmas Nativity Celebration following a complaint from the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

The Wisconsin-based foundation argued that it was unconstitutional for the school choirs to perform at the annual nativity celebration sponsored by the Church of Latter-day Saints in Apex. Wake school officials said they acted after the foundation forwarded a YouTube video in which a church official makes statements such as how the event “represents a wonderful opportunity for you to bear testimony of Christ to your friends.”


“The advice of Tharrington Smith (the district’s attorney) is that it put the district in the position of potentially endorsing a religious viewpoint,” Tim Simmons, a Wake schools spokesman, said in an interview Tuesday.

Simmons said the Apex decision doesn’t prevent schools from participating at other nativity events as long as those events are not an unconstitutional endorsement of religion.

Representatives from the foundation, which says it’s “dedicated to the separation of state and church,” took credit for the schools not participating at last week’s Apex nativity event.

“It’s great that officials finally realized the dubiousness of school attendance at such an obviously religious ceremony,” Annie Laurie Gaylor, the foundation’s co-president, said in a written statement. “It was unacceptable that public school choirs were performing at this function.”

Patrick Elliott, a staff attorney for the foundation, said the group first got involved last year after a parent complained about the choirs participating in the event. The foundation followed up this year after hearing that some school choirs would be performing.

“Public schools are a place for all students regardless of religious belief or non-belief,” Elliott said in an interview Tuesday. “To have public schools involved in a Christian event celebrating the birth of Jesus is a problem.”

According to the nativity event website, it’s a three-day “celebration of the birth and ministry of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.”

“They (school choirs) bring hundreds of parents and grandparents and friends who come and listen to them sing,” Steve Bodhaine, a church official, said in the 2014 YouTube video. “And when the singing is done, these wonderful people linger.

“They walk around and they see the hundreds of nativities from all over the world and they begin to feel something sacred in their hearts. This for us is the opportunity to share the wonder and love of the Savior.”

A spokesman for the church did not return a phone call or email Tuesday.

On Nov. 17, Deputy Superintendent Cathy Moore emailed nativity organizers saying the event “has been a positive experience for our students in past years.” But Moore cited the legal review and said she regretted to inform them that the choirs couldn’t participate this year.

Simmons said students can participate individually at future Apex nativity events.

“No one was particularly happy with the outcome of this,” Simmons said. “Some schools had been participating for several years.”

Read more here: Wake County bans school choirs from Apex nativity event | News & Observer
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Old 12-14-2016, 10:24 AM
 
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How sad so glad the enlightened liberals saved our children from participating in an event where someone mentions Jesus. I'm not sure what the expectation is of where a choir can participate if not church affiliated events maybe basketball games????
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Old 12-14-2016, 10:38 AM
 
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I'm not sure what the expectation is of where a choir can participate if not church affiliated events maybe basketball games????
Riiiiiight ... because churches and basketball games are the only venues for a performance.


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Old 12-14-2016, 10:56 AM
 
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I think this was a good call from a legal standpoint. Sorry but you can't pick and choose parts of the constitution that you agree with and dismiss the rest.

If the kids wanted to perform at a religious event they can always join a church choir. Seems like an easy alternative.
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:01 AM
 
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How sad so glad the enlightened liberals saved our children from participating in an event where someone mentions Jesus. I'm not sure what the expectation is of where a choir can participate if not church affiliated events maybe basketball games????
Enlightened liberals? Is that a christian thing to say because of course there is no sarcasm or negativity in that comment is there...
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:08 AM
 
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Enlightened liberals? Is that a christian thing to say because of course there is no sarcasm or negativity in that comment is there...
Never mind the fact that plenty of Christians are moderate to liberal themselves nowadays.

This isn't 1716, it's 2016.

We know that antibiotics cure infection and the Earth orbits the Sun now.
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:09 AM
 
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I think this was a good call from a legal standpoint. Sorry but you can't pick and choose parts of the constitution that you agree with and dismiss the rest.

If the kids wanted to perform at a religious event they can always join a church choir. Seems like an easy alternative.
Or they could perform at a holiday gathering that included a variety of participants, including churches, synagogues, etc.
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:11 AM
 
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Simmons said the Apex decision doesn’t prevent schools from participating at other nativity events as long as those events are not an unconstitutional endorsement of religion.
You answered your own question. Did you actually READ the article, or just react?
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Old 12-19-2016, 04:49 PM
 
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The Wake County school system barred several school choirs from performing at this year’s Apex Christmas Nativity Celebration following a complaint from the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

The Wisconsin-based foundation argued that it was unconstitutional for the school choirs to perform at the annual nativity celebration sponsored by the Church of Latter-day Saints in Apex. Wake school officials said they acted after the foundation forwarded a YouTube video in which a church official makes statements such as how the event “represents a wonderful opportunity for you to bear testimony of Christ to your friends.”


“The advice of Tharrington Smith (the district’s attorney) is that it put the district in the position of potentially endorsing a religious viewpoint,” Tim Simmons, a Wake schools spokesman, said in an interview Tuesday.

Simmons said the Apex decision doesn’t prevent schools from participating at other nativity events as long as those events are not an unconstitutional endorsement of religion.

Representatives from the foundation, which says it’s “dedicated to the separation of state and church,” took credit for the schools not participating at last week’s Apex nativity event.

“It’s great that officials finally realized the dubiousness of school attendance at such an obviously religious ceremony,” Annie Laurie Gaylor, the foundation’s co-president, said in a written statement. “It was unacceptable that public school choirs were performing at this function.”

Patrick Elliott, a staff attorney for the foundation, said the group first got involved last year after a parent complained about the choirs participating in the event. The foundation followed up this year after hearing that some school choirs would be performing.

“Public schools are a place for all students regardless of religious belief or non-belief,” Elliott said in an interview Tuesday. “To have public schools involved in a Christian event celebrating the birth of Jesus is a problem.”

According to the nativity event website, it’s a three-day “celebration of the birth and ministry of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.”

“They (school choirs) bring hundreds of parents and grandparents and friends who come and listen to them sing,” Steve Bodhaine, a church official, said in the 2014 YouTube video. “And when the singing is done, these wonderful people linger.

“They walk around and they see the hundreds of nativities from all over the world and they begin to feel something sacred in their hearts. This for us is the opportunity to share the wonder and love of the Savior.”

A spokesman for the church did not return a phone call or email Tuesday.

On Nov. 17, Deputy Superintendent Cathy Moore emailed nativity organizers saying the event “has been a positive experience for our students in past years.” But Moore cited the legal review and said she regretted to inform them that the choirs couldn’t participate this year.

Simmons said students can participate individually at future Apex nativity events.

“No one was particularly happy with the outcome of this,” Simmons said. “Some schools had been participating for several years.”

Read more here: Wake County bans school choirs from Apex nativity event | News & Observer
The school district has no business involving public school students in the ministry of the Mormon church. What were they thinking?

It puts the district in the unconstitutional position of endorsing a certain religion.

Can you imagine the outrage if the district involved students in a Muslim ministry festival?

Good grief.
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Old 12-19-2016, 05:00 PM
 
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How sad so glad the enlightened liberals saved our children from participating in an event where someone mentions Jesus.

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