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If you don't like the end result, then move. No one is forcing anyone to call Raleigh their home. I'm sure that there are plenty of outsiders that would love to be in this position and have the opportunity to scoop up your homes at a good price.
I would personally add to that line of thinking and say "move to somewhere that has values similar to your own".
Raleigh and NC has always been for attracting growth at most any cost. Some towns *hint hint* try to limit it and keep a similar feel but if you want to live in a place that wants slow if any growth, this is not the place for you.
Smart people would capture that growth in the form of profit and RE investment income and can then retire early to a place where they want to be without worry of working.
Complaining about this stuff serves no purpose other than self loathing and gets you nowhere.
This is so bizarre. This has gone from a discussion of the topic to a sermon.
I stand by what I posted earlier. You can not discuss a political, socioeconomic, or religious topic rationally with someone who is driven by their emotions...whether they realize it or not.
yep. THT went right off the rails.
and I started on the article he most recently linked. I'm not sure THT didn't write it himself, or whether he considers it the gospel truth, a barely researched opinion piece. People under 35 can certainly research, learn, and report on history. But they're not allowed to IGNORE that life existed before they got out of college, and THIS economic cycle is the only one ever like it.
and I started on the article he most recently linked. I'm not sure THT didn't write it himself, or whether he considers it the gospel truth, a barely researched opinion piece. People under 35 can certainly research, learn, and report on history. But they're not allowed to IGNORE that life existed before they got out of college, and THIS economic cycle is the only one ever like it.
So everyone who vehemently disagrees with you is somehow "off the rails"?
If you're talking about the Reuters article I linked, you're just flat out wrong about it being "barely researched." Not only does it provide so many statistics and numbers to highlight examples and real-world cases of growth spiraling out of control, but it also cites the Brookings Institute... a very reputable think tank...
Perhaps you're just reading too much into it. I agree with all those things. I don't want an Amazon HQ here. That doesn't mean I would picket their building or anything crazy like that, but I still don't want increased traffic, less trees for new home builds, and rising prices. That doesn't make me "emotional."
Thank you. Glad someone understands and holds a similar perspective.
If you don't like the end result, then move. No one is forcing anyone to call Raleigh their home. I'm sure that there are plenty of outsiders that would love to be in this position and have the opportunity to scoop up your homes at a good price.
Of course no one is forcing anyone to live anywhere. But for some people, Raleigh is more than just another place to live or the city that their cushy job is located in. It's the place they call home, the place of their community and identity. Something that is sacred and worth protecting from those with strictly economic interests, who see Raleigh as really nothing more than a way to line their own pockets. It's no wonder developers and real estate agents want Amazon to come here more than a fat kid wants cake.
It would be foolish to think that there aren't a lot of Raleigh residents who want to preserve their way of life without having Raleigh turn into a city like Austin that is suffering from unsustainable, and in many ways destructive, growth. I mean, just look at the poll numbers and you'll see that the two viewpoints are pretty evenly split, with actually a favor towards not wanting Amazon to come here... which is why I don't quite understand why my opinion is being treated by some on this thread as the greatest heresy ever spoken. I'm sure lots of people feel how I do.
I also don't understand why folks need to resort to ad hominem-like insults such as "off the rails" and "too emotional." How is that contributing to the discussion at all??? Oh wait, it doesn't.
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Of course no one is forcing anyone to live anywhere. But for some people, Raleigh is more than just another place to live or the city that their cushy job is located in. It's the place they call home, the place of their community and identity. Something that is sacred and worth protecting from those with strictly economic interests, who see Raleigh as really nothing more than a way to line their own pockets. It's no wonder developers and real estate agents want Amazon to come here more than a fat kid wants cake.
It would be foolish to think that there aren't a lot of Raleigh residents who want to preserve their way of life without having Raleigh turn into a city like Austin that is suffering from unsustainable, and in many ways destructive, growth. I mean, just look at the poll numbers and you'll see that the two viewpoints are pretty evenly split, with actually a favor towards not wanting Amazon to come here... which is why I don't quite understand why my opinion is being treated by some on this thread as the greatest heresy ever spoken. I'm sure lots of people feel how I do.
I also don't understand why folks need to resort to ad hominem-like insults such as "off the rails" and "too emotional." How is that contributing to the discussion at all??? Oh wait, it doesn't.
First of all, don't insult fat kids. That is not a very good liberal point of view.
Secondly, I don't know of any for profit company that selects an area and comes there for purely philanthropic reasons. This is why companies exist...TO MAKE MONEY, and they all are going to look for the best opportunities to do that. It just so happens that Amazon is in a better position than others to do what they are doing. In today's large organizations, the biggest way that most companies grow earnings and preserve their wealth is by cutting costs. This could be done in a number of ways, like relocating to an area with a better tax structure, moving to an area that is closer to customers, downsizing, selecting cheaper vendors. All of these are things that we have seen Amazon do in recent years, and I suspect that the search for a new HQ is partly driven by a need to reduce expenses. The unfortunate reality of this is that there will be some unfavorable consequences for the area where they relocate, but I think those will be offset by the overall benefits that will come with their relocation.
Thirdly, that poll is a joke. I have come across very few people on this thread who are totally against Amazon coming to this area. This is the internet afterall, and anyone with an agenda can create such a poll that supports their desires and intentions. It is nonscientific and basically meaningless.
What I see with you is that you'll grasp at any straw to try and make your point. You're desperately trying to convince everyone that Amazon is the big, bad wolf, but you're failing. I'm seeing few comments in this thread that support your point of view. The ones that I have seen are not even making a compelling argument. "I don't want to see increased traffic" or "i'm afraid of higher prices" or " Amazon is a bully and doesn't care about you" are not good, well constructed arguments. On the flip side, more high paying job opportunities and increased opportunities for all income levels or improvements in mass transits are good arguments in support of Amazon coming here.
If you are so against this for the reasons you've stated, then maybe you should move to a socialist, or better yet, a communist country and see how well you like that. Stop whining.
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I mean, just look at the poll numbers and you'll see that the two viewpoints are pretty evenly split, with actually a favor towards not wanting Amazon to come here... which is why I don't quite understand why my opinion is being treated by some on this thread as the greatest heresy ever spoken.
There's response bias in polling, especially internet polling. For one that poll is polarized and two, City-Data forums are not an accurate representation of a geographic area at large.
For all anyone knows 50 people from the Charlotte or Austin forums could have clicked no on here out of shear spite.
To the second part of your statement, I think it's how you are presenting your responses that is rubbing people the wrong way. People are trying to give you opposing viewpoints but you shrug them off (whether intentional or not) in an attempt to rail your points forward even more. This creates a lot of friction as the thread goes on and on.
Also yeah, to the point of uncchgrad, that "fat kid" statement isn't going to win you any votes either. It's a bit tired and immature.
Not to mention an abundance of good paying jobs and a reinforced economy well into the future.
Raleigh is already growing. A lot of people in the North Carolina forums mention this fact. The figures mentioned were that the Raleigh/RTP area was adding thousands per year. Amazon would just supercharge the rate of growth. And some people fear perhaps at a rate that is not sustainable with the current infrastructure.
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