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Old 02-13-2019, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Where the College Used to Be
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I don't see why it wouldn't get to that point - it will be a gradual process though. If you look at how fast technology has progressed (in general) over the past 20 years or so, it seems perfectly feasible.

We already have self driving technology(with zero human control). Self driving Ubers in Pittsburgh for example (manned with humans as a backup). It's not perfect technology yet, but it's advancing quickly.

Once the technology is proven, it'll take a while for traditional vehicles to be phased out. But I think it will happen sooner than we think.
OT: I used to post a political subforum on an NFL team fan site. This point isn't political as much as it is simply a statement of the way things are moving (which I agree with you)

There was a thread started there once which shared a report that the self driving technology will start, en masse, with semi trucks. The point the OP was attempting to make with the thread wasn't how crazy it would be to have self driving trucks and the potential chaos they would cause, but rather how bad it would be for the economy as truck drivers are one of the largest jobs in the country....

Innovation waits for no man (or woman); we didn't stop Henry Ford because buggy whip makers would go out of business. We didn't stop Tesla from putting out Gas Lamp lighters (although his wireless, free electricity from Wardenclyffe Tower probably upset a few Barons).

Long story short, its coming. Whether its Automated vehicles or AI in business, there is no stopping this advancement. The key will be ensuring it works for people and has guardrails in place to mitigate abuse.
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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I guess I don't understand at that point what the big deal is about sprawl. I don't really get the complaints as it is - not everyone can live within 10 minutes of a city core, nor does everyone want to.
point is there is not enough land in the world for everyone to have their 3 dogs a cat picket fence and 1 acre lot.... well there is but that's not feasible, it leaves hardly any rural places or nature untouched...
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:29 PM
 
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point is there is not enough land in the world for everyone to have their 3 dogs a cat picket fence and 1 acre lot.... well there is but that's not feasible, it leaves hardly any rural places or nature untouched...
Currently about 6% of land in the US is developed. I don't understand the concern with sprawl.
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:36 PM
 
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Currently about 6% of land in the US is developed. I don't understand the concern with sprawl.
People can't drive 12 hours to get to work.

"Urban sprawl has many negative consequences for residents and the environment, such as higher water and air pollution, increased traffic fatalities and jams, loss of agricultural capacity, increased car dependency, higher taxes, increased runoff into rivers and lakes, harmful effects on human health, including higher rates of obesity, high blood pressure, hypertension and chronic diseases, increased flooding, decrease in social capital and loss of natural habitats, wildlife and open space."
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:41 PM
 
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People can't drive 12 hours to get to work.
That won't be too big of an issue when the majority of the population doesn't work.
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:41 PM
 
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Sprawl is a real problem, but I agree with you that the Triangle is not an issue. Perfect examples of sprawl include Houston - go there and you will see the problem
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:43 PM
 
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That won't be too big of an issue when the majority of the population doesn't work.
Umm, ok.
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:44 PM
 
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Umm, ok.
I mean, what do you think is going to happen with technological advances and increases in automation? You keep disagreeing, but giving no reasoning.

Honestly it's pretty interesting to think about - it does seem far fetched, but I do see a time where the majority of the population does not work, and lives off a government provided income. Brick and mortar doesn't exist anymore, everything gets delivered to people's homes via drones and robots. You want to buy some clothes? Order them online, a drone drops them off in 15 minutes, you try them on and call for a drone to send back what you don't want. Retail will be completely abolished. We're already seeing it at places like Mcdonalds - self-ordering, automatic drink dispenser machines, etc. Soon drones will just deliver it to your house - no need to have a bunch of brick and mortar locations.

I know it sounds insane - but it's not far off. By the way I lean right, so I'm not for socialism in any way. But we're clearly heading that way. What's scary to me is, what will all these people who don't work, do all day?
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:50 PM
 
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I mean, what do you think is going to happen with technological advances and increases in automation? You keep disagreeing, but giving no reasoning.

Honestly it's pretty interesting to think about - it does seem far fetched, but I do see a time where the majority of the population does not work, and lives off a government provided income. Brick and mortar doesn't exist anymore, everything gets delivered to people's homes via drones and robots. You want to buy some clothes? Order them online, a drone drops them off in 15 minutes, you try them on and call for a drone to send back what you don't want.

I know it sounds insane - but it's not far off. By the way I lean right, so I'm not for socialism in any way. But we're clearly heading that way.
I disagree that those technological advances will occur as you predict, nor in the time lines you predict. We're nowhere near the situations you describe.

Things like paperless offices and cashless economies have been predicted for decades, and we're nowhere near them.
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:51 PM
 
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I disagree that those technological advances will occur as you predict, nor in the time lines you predict. We're nowhere near the situations you describe.
I hope you're right.

25 years ago we barely had the internet - we were dialing into AOL on a 14400 baud modem waiting 2 minutes for a single picture to download. Just look at the technological advances that have occurred since then, especially on the automation front.

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