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Old 05-13-2020, 02:15 AM
 
Location: River's Edge Inn, Todd NC, and Lorgues France
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Guess who’s back......back again....
Yep, another pirate.
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Old 05-13-2020, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Durm
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Well, now I have recurrent dreams about being trapped in stores or rooms with strangers not wearing masks.
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Old 05-13-2020, 05:30 AM
 
Location: under the beautiful Carolina blue
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IMHO, this is why I think caution is warranted. I am not paranoid or washing down my groceries but I can't see how re-opening will not lead to a second wave.
There will be a second wave. History shows it happens and no expert thinks this will be different. The question is will people be cooperative again and go through all these machinations in the late summer,fall, or whenever it happens. “COVID fatigue “ is already a real thing.
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Old 05-13-2020, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Where the College Used to Be
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The WW2 vet I had lunch with on Mother’s Day was disgusted we shut the economy down for a virus. So that’s not a universal thought.
I am too. But that really wasn’t the point we were talking about. We were juxtaposing the sacrifices The Greatest Generation were willing to make at home and abroad compared to folks today who think their Constitutional rights are being violated by companies requiring masks in their stores or because aisles are single direction or because they can’t go to their favorite watering hole.

People of this time are baby poo soft (not to mention selfish) by comparison
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Old 05-13-2020, 05:48 AM
 
Location: under the beautiful Carolina blue
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I am too. But that really wasn’t the point we were talking about. We were juxtaposing the sacrifices The Greatest Generation were willing to make at home and abroad compared to folks today who think their Constitutional rights are being violated by companies requiring masks in their stores or because aisles are single direction or because they can’t go to their favorite watering hole.

People of this time are baby poo soft (not to mention selfish) by comparison
Yes well said. My other thought on this is that most of the people I see out and about not wearing masks and touching everything in the store are old men and if you don’t care that you get COVID (oh well I had a good long life I’m not doing this) understand that others DO care, have a lot more at stake and that’s why no one really wants to see you. Ironically that age group doesn’t really care about the economy they are some of the worst offenders of the “but I’m bored “ mindset as if they are the only ones in that boat.
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Old 05-13-2020, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Where the College Used to Be
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Yes well said. My other thought on this is that most of the people I see out and about not wearing masks and touching everything in the store are old men and if you don’t care that you get COVID (oh well I had a good long life I’m not doing this) understand that others DO care, have a lot more at stake and that’s why no one really wants to see you. Ironically that age group doesn’t really care about the economy they are some of the worst offenders of the “but I’m bored “ mindset as if they are the only ones in that boat.
Here’s Jonah Goldberg (former Editor at the National Review) on this very subject.

https://twitter.com/JonahDispatch/st...80048508563457
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Old 05-13-2020, 06:02 AM
 
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DHHS changed the guidance on testing almost three weeks ago to allow anyone to be able to get a test, regardless of symptoms or flu test. Why did it take three weeks for this to be communicated to the public?

https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/sta...irus/19095636/
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Old 05-13-2020, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Where the College Used to Be
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I know I tend to say a lot of things like this, but, I don't think that. I think it is a combination of irreconcilable polarization and bureaucratically-stifled ineptitude.

Or something like that.
I'll grant the ineptitude (given the histories and experiences of some of the heads of FDA, CDC and HHS) and even accept that infighting between those organizations could be some of it.

But I don't see the irreconcilable polarization as playing here. What, foundationally, is polarized by testing? We're a country that is all about (to a fault in my opinion) the virtue, greatness and infallibility of the "free market" and '"Private Industry". Those two things are supposed to be our greatest vehicles in times of need to rise to the occasion. Anyone on the right should want to see Capitalism rise and save the day (in this context produce enough tests to enable a re-open) and anyone on the Left should want to see the same ends. The goal should be commonly hoped for. To steal a line from an interview with a guy from Ken Burns' Vietnam "Nixon has the political capital to end the war now".

The Political capital exists to get testing going at the numbers experts (both medically, scientifically and economically) agree is needed. Yet here we are. Without it still.

Where there's the will, there's a way. Yet there is no way at this time...so I am left questioning the will.
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Old 05-13-2020, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Where the College Used to Be
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IMHO, this is why I think caution is warranted. I am not paranoid or washing down my groceries but I can't see how re-opening will not lead to a second wave.

1918 Flu says "Hola!"


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Old 05-13-2020, 06:36 AM
 
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The Political capital exists to get testing going at the numbers experts (both medically, scientifically and economically) agree is needed. Yet here we are. Without it still.
We've had testing for anyone in NC for three weeks now, but the general public wasn't made aware until last Friday.
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