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Old 07-29-2020, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Morrisville, NC
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Traffic will get worse as long as we keep enticing people to drive, and this is coming from a car enthusiast who loves to drive.

Developments like this allow people to live, work, and play in a fashion that doesn't even require a car. From the WRAL Techwire article, it looks like they're hoping to land a grocery store, so it would be very feasible to live in an apartment, work in one of the nearby offices, shop at the grocery store on the ground floor, and have fun at DBAP and DPAC next store.

Regardless, this is huge news for the Bull City, and I can't wait to see it start rising! This would be a monumental way to kick off the next building cycle.
In theory, this could even reduce some day to day car trips from people already living nearby. I doubt it will offset the need for peak hour trips to and from the offices but better than nothing.
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Old 08-01-2020, 04:24 AM
 
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This is an exciting project. The transformation of center city Durham is just phenomenal. I grieve the loss of light rail and what it would have meant for the city.
Light rail without the inclusion of the largest population center (Wake County) was bound to fail. Now the more viable and cheaper heavy commuter rail project has to start from scratch.
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Old 08-01-2020, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Light rail without the inclusion of the largest population center (Wake County) was bound to fail. Now the more viable and cheaper heavy commuter rail project has to start from scratch.
If you look at the San Francisco/San Jose area, you have several different rail systems that link up in different places. Light rail, commuter, Bart.
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Old 08-01-2020, 07:06 AM
 
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So no plans to actually connect with DT Durham and the Southside by NC147?

Seems to be great for outside developers and Goodnight but not for the historical makeup of the community.

More ways for the elite to bubble up and keep some out.
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Old 08-01-2020, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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So no plans to actually connect with DT Durham and the Southside by NC147?

Seems to be great for outside developers and Goodnight but not for the historical makeup of the community.

More ways for the elite to bubble up and keep some out.
I did not know this until recently but 147 cuts through a major African American neighborhood?

I think they should focus on more parking. Not enough for the demand.
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Old 08-01-2020, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Durm
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I did not know this until recently but 147 cuts through a major African American neighborhood?

I think they should focus on more parking. Not enough for the demand.
Ugh, it destroyed an entire African-American neighborhood. Over 4000 families displaced.

https://www.bullcity150.org/uneven_g...antling_hayti/
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Old 08-01-2020, 09:28 AM
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I think they should focus on more parking. Not enough for the demand.
Man American Tobacco already has 3 huge parking decks and these plans show an estimated two more. How much parking do ya'll really need? By rough fuzzy math they'll have at least conservatively 6000 spaces of deck parking before this is finished being built. That's excluding if they have another deck hidden amongst one of the other buildings in the rendering.
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Old 08-01-2020, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Man American Tobacco already has 3 huge parking decks and these plans show an estimated two more. How much parking do ya'll really need? By rough fuzzy math they'll have at least conservatively 6000 spaces of deck parking before this is finished being built. That's excluding if they have another deck hidden amongst one of the other buildings in the rendering.
It all depends on the show and demand at DPAC. Sometimes I find parking. Sometimes I go from one garage to the next. I've never tried the parking right at DPAC. I always thought it would be hard to get out, or I wouldn't find a space.
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Old 08-02-2020, 07:40 AM
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It all depends on the show and demand at DPAC. Sometimes I find parking. Sometimes I go from one garage to the next. I've never tried the parking right at DPAC. I always thought it would be hard to get out, or I wouldn't find a space.
Ah yes, I was rambling in the context of the proposed plans.

I agree that show times and types have an impact on parking. Especially earlier shows as all the decks are used by employees during the day and some employees stay afterward for other downtown stuff. Parking/traffic in the decks can get a bit hairy during the deck "switch-over" times.
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Old 08-02-2020, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Morrisville, NC
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The biggest parking issues around American Tobacco is usually when there’s a day baseball game and to a lesser extent, toward the end of the day of a night game and if there’s an earlier start to a show at DPAC. I wouldn’t expect this to have much negative impact on those and maybe a slight positive as more overall spaces will be nearby (when I worked at AT, we always noticed a good number of people left early on those days).
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