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The nurses, techs, and nurses aids have said they want "a break."
Richest country in the world and we have staffing issues. Just perfect.
I've been wondering why it seems like nothing has been done to try to encourage people to train to become a nurse from the huge pool of people out of work. Is that an accurate perception?
Are the nurses/staff that are working the elective surgeries not able to work on Covid patients because they're high risk or something? If not, why not stop elective surgeries and have those nurses assist on Covid? I know it's less money in the bank, but if the need is there....
[quote=m378;60046317]Are the nurses/staff that are working the elective surgeries not able to work on Covid patients because they're high risk or something? If not, why not stop elective surgeries and have those nurses assist on Covid? I know it's less money in the bank, but if the need is there....
Maybe I'm over-simplifying.[/QUOTE]
Yes you are over-simplifying. Yes, can absolutely move staff around but you also need to understand that a surgical nurse is not an ER nurse or an ICU nurse just like an orthopedist is not an ER physician, hospitalist or pulmonologist. These are professions that have specialties that people were trained in. Yes they are still MDs and RN but personally if I am in the ICU with COVID I do not really what the Orthopedist who does knee replacements all day being my treating physician. It is not ideal and does not provide for best care. It is what happens when systems are overwhelmed and is a last resort.
Yes you are over-simplifying. Yes, can absolutely move staff around but you also need to understand that a surgical nurse is not an ER nurse or an ICU nurse just like an orthopedist is not an ER physician, hospitalist or pulmonologist. These are professions that have specialties that people were trained in. Yes they are still MDs and RN but personally if I am in the ICU with COVID I do not really what the Orthopedist who does knee replacements all day being my treating physician. It is not ideal and does not provide for best care. It is what happens when systems are overwhelmed and is a last resort.
..which is why I asked, because it sounds like they are overwhelmed.
I would assume in a desperate situation, the more hands the better regardless of training.
Are the nurses/staff that are working the elective surgeries not able to work on Covid patients because they're high risk or something? If not, why not stop elective surgeries and have those nurses assist on Covid? I know it's less money in the bank, but if the need is there....
Maybe I'm over-simplifying.
What is so hard to understand? We cannot get any RNs to work on the COVID-19 floors. A more simple line for you - NOBODY like me F'ing WANTS TO WORK ON A COVID-19 FLOOR! Get that through your head, bro.
Why is this so hard for you to understand? Oh, that's right - because you don't actually deal with human beings. All you do is sit behind a fuc*-ing computer screen all day. You have no risk of contracting covid-19. Good for you!
Ok I'm done - not going to sit here and let people throw f-bombs at me. Tired of being attacked for asking questions and trying to understand the situation.
Ok I'm done - not going to sit here and let people throw f-bombs at me. Tired of being attacked for asking questions and trying to understand the situation.
Great - your messages throughout this entire year have been VERY "downplaying" the pandemic. Until you actually know what it's like in the medical world, don't reply to this thread at all. Nobody will miss you.
Great - your messages throughout this entire year have been VERY "downplaying" the pandemic. Until you actually know what it's like in the medical world, don't reply to this thread at all. Nobody will miss you.
Untrue. And no, I don't know what it is like in the medical world, which is why I ask questions based on what I hear from people like you, and what I hear from other sources like the media, and try to understand. You think that anybody that doesn't work in the medical world has no right to ask questions and that they should just be as knowledgeable as you say you are.
But I'm not going to sit here and let you attack me and swear at me because you assume that me asking questions is me downplaying the virus. I'm sorry you're having a rough go at it lately, I really am, but that's just crazy. Good luck I hope things get better.
Untrue. And no, I don't know what it is like in the medical world, which is why I ask questions based on what I hear from people like you, and what I hear from other sources like the media, and try to understand. You think that anybody that doesn't work in the medical world has no right to ask questions and that they should just be as knowledgeable as you say you are.
But I'm not going to sit here and let you attack me and swear at me because you assume that me asking questions is me downplaying the virus. I'm sorry you're having a rough go at it lately, I really am, but that's just crazy. Good luck I hope things get better.
Good deal - maybe you should not attack every single number that NC puts out for us. It's pretty obvious that you are the person that attacks and makes every number that NC puts out as a "fake" number. All you do is attack very single metric. But honestly, you are not even on the front line here, man. You honestly don't have any back up to your arguments.
You know what? You have no idea what it's like working on a North Carolina hospital floor - how many beds are full, how many nurses are tired, how many nurse's aides are tired - you are just sitting on your nice west Cary computer and typing all this BS.
I understand - this is just another internet messageboard for you after all - nothing to win and nothing to lose.
If you had any idea of what a nurse, nurse's aide, physician or any TRIANGLE hospital support staff is dealing with during this idiotic COVID-19 pandemic - you would probably post less than what you do now.
in NC, the total # of beds available hasn't changed demonstrably.
Over the last 30 days, the total usage and ICU usage of those beds has fluctuated, but overall not up significantly. Covid ICU patients - up by 50% to almost 800 - are obviously replacing routinely expected ICU need.
That's a general concern for anybody (I hope at least) - COVID ICU patients are up 50% in 30 days, they are ~40% of all ICU patients, and remaining ICU capacity is now 1/2 of current COOVID ICU patients.
And undoubtedly, with the new protocols and treatment/outcome uncertainties, providing care for these patients is extremely stressful.
Eg - when my 77 yr old mother had a heart valve replaced this time last year and spent 5 days in ICU, that time was essentially routine and expected - Rx has had 100K+ post-op heart patients in ICU and "knew" the outcomes.
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