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you really should just refrain, if you cannot participate within the rules.
There are 2 otherwise very healthy children currently in the ICU, who have serious pulmonary issues that might become long-term health problems. That's sad, horrible, even call it tragic. I think we all agree that we hope that their good fortune of being under excellent medical care will help them recover as completely as possible.
It is also true that in NC, we have 1 death below age 18. I have no doubt the parent(s) and family of that child grieve tremendously, whether that child was "perfectly healthy" or had stage 4 terminal cancer with weeks to live. That child was not in Wake County, but it matters not a bit. There's a family in grief.
Let's assume both children that you know about are from Wake County. Will you divulge how many Wake Co children HAVE gone to the ICU? It would help the understanding of the issue.
In Wake County, there are about 250,000 children. There have been 2,586 test positive. So we know about 2 hospitalizations. That would be 0.08% of cases and 0.0008% of population. That would be the statistical definition of "almost none" - 1 in 1,000 cases = hospitalizations and 1 in 100,000 of the population.
Okay sure, present statistics to make whatever point you want.
The point is, don't let politicians say that if you are under 18, NOTHING to worry about because that's exactly what is happening. Go ahead and present whatever stats and theories you want to exaggerate things.
For those who treat people, you guys change nothing - we still deal with our risks and how to make patients better, get out of the ICU/medical floor and see how they have no long-term lung issues, no matter what you discuss about politics.
but this isn't politics. it's just cold hard reality = life.
Politics is assigning blame and praise, or "what gets me the most votes?" That's really all it is, sadly.
If there's another country that has our population, various urban densities, geographic size, and limits on centralized control, then let's compare us to them. "Politically" since the beginning, I've said we would have it worse because the states have greater responsibility for themselves than almost any other country. And that ignores thee "political" that has sadly wracked our country for probably 10+ years.
I am very thankful that my children nor anyone I know has been hospitalized nor died from Covid. I do know people that have tested positive, especially some UNC freshmen.
That doesn't equate to "you people are exaggerating" or anything remotely political.
I have great sympathy for the families who have seen loved ones, young and old, go into the hospital. I have great sympathy for anyone who has lost a loved one, be it 7 days or 70 years prematurely.
I've been in the hospital with someone for 30 days when on day 25 they couldn't say for sure that "they'll be OK in 5 days".
I can't relate to the experience of being an ER doc or other professional that sees someone come in in the throes of Covid. Nor can I imagine the pain and likely anger of seeing a small child come in with a potentially fatal gunshot wound.
They’ve been saying we’re in for a 2nd wave since May. Even that got politicized when they said that FL, AZ, etc were a “2nd wave†when it was very clear that it wasn’t.
Britian is in the middle of one and I am sure the same will happen here. People will politicize it but it will be a grim reality just like 200,000 deaths is the reality now. This was supposed to be the nightmare senario that we were avoiding but yet that detail seems to have been forgotten.
Britian is in the middle of one and I am sure the same will happen here. People will politicize it but it will be a grim reality just like 200,000 deaths is the reality now. This was supposed to be the nightmare senario that we were avoiding but yet that detail seems to have been forgotten.
Attached is a graphic from Ivor Cummins (YouTube) showing the current "casedemic" in the UK. Supposed cases are above the line with deaths below. Currently there appears to be a rise in cases, but there is practically no accompanying death as there was in the spring...practically none. His video shows this in country after country in Europe.
Attached is a graphic from Ivor Cummins (YouTube) showing the current "casedemic" in the UK. Supposed cases are above the line with deaths below. Currently there appears to be a rise in cases, but there is practically no accompanying death as there was in the spring...practically none. His video shows this in country after country in Europe.
They are discussing another shutdown due to infections. This article shows their numbers. The article below states that they are in danger of having 50,000 new infections a day by October without new restrictions. Are you implying it is not a concern since deaths are not rising. This can change rapidly and even if deaths are not up, the hospital system can still be overwhelmend. Either way, WE are still in the first wave and have crossed the 200,000 mark, that was supposed to be the worst case senario not the midway point.
They are discussing another shutdown due to infections. Either way, we are still in the first wave and have crossed the 200,000 mark, that was supposed to be the worst case senario not the midway point. Your chart does not change the fact that 200,000 Americans have died from this. It is not the flu, or some mild upper respiratory virus and we could say that overall a small percentage of people die compared to the total number infected but 200,000 is not a small number.
Given the times, the scale is hard to fathom. Life has become one headline, tweet, news report, blog post, one Facebook comment etc at a time. But this, all things being equal, is a national psyche rattling amount of human destruction.
Every other event of this magnitude in our story, albeit short in its own right, has statues and books and oral histories and songs that carry forth a remembrance.
To steal Shelby Foote’s line, Helluva Crossroads
They are discussing another shutdown due to infections. This article shows their numbers. The article below states that they are in danger of having 50,000 new infections a day by October without new restrictions. Are you implying it is not a concern since deaths are not rising. This can change rapidly and even if deaths are not up, the hospital system can still be overwhelmend. Either way, WE are still in the first wave and have crossed the 200,000 mark, that was supposed to be the worst case senario not the midway point.
When was 200k ever predicted to be worst case scenario? I remember significantly higher projections, I believe up to 2M.
What states in the US would you guess would hit a second wave first? My guess would be the northeast, and they are still doing much better than the majority of the country. Why do you think that is?
When was 200k ever predicted to be worst case scenario? I remember significantly higher projections, I believe up to 2M.
What states in the US would you guess would hit a second wave first? My guess would be the northeast, and they are still doing much better than the majority of the country. Why do you think that is?
at the end of "15 days to stop the spread" is when obviously the Task Force showed the POTUS the projections that said "1 to 2 MM dead if we don't shut down and get serious about social distancing". Apparently, that same model showed 100-200K if we "did everything right". That same day, while the optimist in all of us concentrated on the low mark, Birx/Fauci (I think B, not sure) said something like "we hope under 200K".
They're all just projections and models. Remember needing 150K ventilators? A model (the same?) then came out maybe a week later with "60K dead". Now a model says "400K dead by end of year". It sure seems to reveal that we really know LESS about the virus than we might.
If one wanted to speculate on a "2nd wave", then I think you put FL front and center.
I think the "issue" isn't even the kids catching Covid.
It's "going home and giving it to grandparents/compromised cohabitants" without any # attached.
It's "teachers that are high risk" without any # attached.
There's "insurmountable problems" without any evidence why they're insurmountable.
My child takes 4 classes/semester; I think in another topic we've decided this is common in NC/the Triangle.
Where were the required surveys (like the numerous F&R lunch notices I got) to ask if you had an issue?
If my child takes 3 classes live and 1 virtually, is that superior to 100% online academy?
To that end scientists in Scotland did a similar study (on 300,000 adults) to the German study from months ago which finds exposure to young children both attenuates the risk of testing positive and having (if caught) a severe enough reaction to require hospitalization.
Bringing back the cross-reactive immunity and "training" of the immune system.
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