Bye Bye Cameron Village (Raleigh, Ramseur: tenants, university, mall)

[Poggly Woggly]

Originally Posted by ITB_OG

This is a bit mind-blowing for me kind of like when I found out some people apparently call the old Village Subway the Village Underground. They are of course wrong.D

We called it simply “The Subway” Some said Village Subway. I was a regular from the beginning until around ‘77.

[DodsonRamseur]

Originally Posted by UserNamesake

Careful .

Careful or what?

[ITB_OG]

Originally Posted by Poggly Woggly

We called it simply “The Subway” Some said Village Subway. I was a regular from the beginning until around ‘77.

Same! I used the Village here for clarity. You may have crossed paths with my sister if you frequented The Pier. She was a regular there in the late 70s to early 80s. Sadly, the clubs closed before I was old enough to go in. We did hang out down there all the time though, and I spent way too many quarters at the arcade.

ETA - doing the math in my head, I just realized my sister probably wasn't there until more like 79 and may have had some connections to bypass the age requirement unless they allowed underage folks in

[wizard-xyzzy]

Having lived in Atlanta where streets are renamed so often that no one gives it a second thought anymore, the renaming of Cameron Village doesn't strike me as odd or unjustified. Cameron Village is private property and they can call themselves whatever they wish. That's a private property right, and they're exercising it.

The next shoe to drop, of course, is renaming Cameron St (which is only about half a mile long). No one is entitled to have a street named for them forever.

Mordecai is apples-and-oranges with Cameron. In preserving Mordecai Historic Park, the City has kept the history of slavery front and center. But hardly anyone knew the history of Cameron. Both Mordecai's slaves and Cameron's slaves settled in Oberlin after emancipation. Over the decades, the City either ignored Oberlin or made decisions that accelerated its deterioration. And to top it off, those Oberlin residents live a stone's throw from the street named for their former owner. To put it differently, how many native white Southerners like myself whose ancestors died in the Confederate Army (nine in my family) would want to live in a neighborhood named Sherman.

[ITB_OG]

Originally Posted by wizard-xyzzy

Having lived in Atlanta where streets are renamed so often that no one gives it a second thought anymore, the renaming of Cameron Village doesn't strike me as odd or unjustified. Cameron Village is private property and they can call themselves whatever they wish. That's a private property right, and they're exercising it.

The next shoe to drop, of course, is renaming Cameron St (which is only about half a mile long). No one is entitled to have a street named for them forever.

Mordecai is apples-and-oranges with Cameron. In preserving Mordecai Historic Park, the City has kept the history of slavery front and center. But hardly anyone knew the history of Cameron. Both Mordecai's slaves and Cameron's slaves settled in Oberlin after emancipation. Over the decades, the City either ignored Oberlin or made decisions that accelerated its deterioration. And to top it off, those Oberlin residents live a stone's throw from the street named for their former owner. To put it differently, how many native white Southerners like myself whose ancestors died in the Confederate Army (nine in my family) would want to live in a neighborhood named Sherman.

What do you think the city should have done differently?

[DodsonRamseur]

I guess Dixie Trail is next in the crosshairs. No more “plantation” in Flowers or Wakefield. It is is endless if you are looking to be offended.

[lancers]

No. TJ and GW.

[Poggly Woggly]

Originally Posted by ITB_OG

Same! I used the Village here for clarity. You may have crossed paths with my sister if you frequented The Pier. She was a regular there in the late 70s to early 80s. Sadly, the clubs closed before I was old enough to go in. We did hang out down there all the time though, and I spent way too many quarters at the arcade.

ETA - doing the math in my head, I just realized my sister probably wasn't there until more like 79 and may have had some connections to bypass the age requirement unless they allowed underage folks in

Your sister was probably just after my time at The Subway, but I was a regular at The Pier on weekends for live music. I enjoyed hanging out with friends after work at the Cafe Deja Vu watching the silent films.

[raleighsocial]

I don't see the problem. Raleigh destroyed numerous historic black neighborhoods in the name of 'urban renewal' during the 20th century. All that is happening here is a name change to give the middle finger to the largest slaveholder in North Carolina history.

[DodsonRamseur]

Originally Posted by raleighsocial

I don't see the problem. Raleigh destroyed numerous historic black neighborhoods in the name of 'urban renewal' during the 20th century. All that is happening here is a name change to give the middle finger to the largest slaveholder in North Carolina history.

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