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I can't speak for Becky's motivations, I had no clue who she was until 2 weeks ago. Nor do I care, she's just a person that spoke at a meeting. If she applies for the position, I have 10000000% confidence that the school board won't pick her, so I have no reason to care about her or her political motivations. If she was the one who brought the Artis situation to light, then I'm glad she spoke up.
The school board however, makes decisions that affect my family. I have closely followed our school board for several years now, so I feel comfortable making comment on their motivations.
I’m glad you care. I really am. You and I agree on next to nothing in this space, but I’d rather be surrounded in an area where people care than not.
I haven’t here/or any other thread not made my biases clear to anyone with a reading comprehension level above, ehhh, 4th grade.
You get hung up on the board’s focus on socioeconomic equality and diversity. I focus on my kids not wanting to be impacted by people whose sensitivities are offended by even the mere idea of talking about our history.
We both, I think, want our kids to have a positive educational experiences. There is more in common with that than not (the context and details is where we diverge)
I’m glad you care. I really am. You and I agree on next to nothing in this space, but I’d rather be surrounded in an area where people care than not.
I haven’t here/or any other thread not made my biases clear to anyone with a reading comprehension level above, ehhh, 4th grade.
You get hung up on the board’s focus on socioeconomic equality and diversity. I focus on my kids not wanting to be impacted by people whose sensitivities are offended by even the mere idea of talking about our history.
We both, I think, want our kids to have a positive educational experiences. There is more in common with that than not (the context and details is where we diverge)
Well said! People need to care right now. The push to ban books open the gate to censoring history. It has been brought up at multiple board meetings and even Wake County Public libraries took a couple of books off the shelf temporarily.
I focus on my kids not wanting to be impacted by people whose sensitivities are offended by even the mere idea of talking about our history.
We both, I think, want our kids to have a positive educational experiences. There is more in common with that than not (the context and details is where we diverge)
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The push to ban books open the gate to censoring history. It has been brought up at multiple board meetings and even Wake County Public libraries took a couple of books off the shelf temporarily.
I keep seeing this "don't want history taught" all across the land, not just here. But I've never seen someone say "don't teach that part of history".
I see a lot of "that's not age-appropriate" and/or "that's the parent's responsibility", particularly around sexuality/gender topics through HS. And I see some "age appropriate" (before HS, maybe MS) regarding topics like slavery.
But I don't see any "don't teach an accurate history", so where is this going on?
I keep seeing this "don't want history taught" all across the land, not just here. But I've never seen someone say "don't teach that part of history".
I see a lot of "that's not age-appropriate" and/or "that's the parent's responsibility", particularly around sexuality/gender topics through HS. And I see some "age appropriate" (before HS, maybe MS) regarding topics like slavery.
But I don't see any "don't teach an accurate history", so where is this going on?
The door has been opened to banning books in WCPSS, all so far on LGBTQIA relationships. This is a nationwide movement as pointed out in a article linked preciously. The GA had attached a provision to the original budget they proposed but disguised it under a fancy name "media advisory committee". These committees were to respond to objections from anyone in the community to any educational material used by schools. If the school committee allowed the materials to remain, a State board would have the final say if the material stayed. There was no criteria for objections from the community, it could be to any materials used at schools. You will also notice in the link below the GA included allowing Catherine Truitt to have a politically appointed commission to develop new social studies standards. You may not be hearing about things but they are happening.
Once we start allowing books to be banned it is not a far leap modifying what is taught. BTW, the CRT discussion has been brought up at Board meetings around the State and Country. The push against CRT, a college level class, at k-12 school board meetings is a way of pushing for what parts of history/whose version will be taught.
I keep seeing this "don't want history taught" all across the land, not just here. But I've never seen someone say "don't teach that part of history".
I see a lot of "that's not age-appropriate" and/or "that's the parent's responsibility", particularly around sexuality/gender topics through HS. And I see some "age appropriate" (before HS, maybe MS) regarding topics like slavery.
But I don't see any "don't teach an accurate history", so where is this going on?
I will come back to this later today Bo (not ignoring you).
I keep seeing this "don't want history taught" all across the land, not just here. But I've never seen someone say "don't teach that part of history".
I see a lot of "that's not age-appropriate" and/or "that's the parent's responsibility", particularly around sexuality/gender topics through HS. And I see some "age appropriate" (before HS, maybe MS) regarding topics like slavery.
But I don't see any "don't teach an accurate history", so where is this going on?
The parts of history that talk about our country’s dirty laundry in areas such as racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc., are certainly front and center on many of these lists.
I keep seeing this "don't want history taught" all across the land, not just here. But I've never seen someone say "don't teach that part of history".
I agree it isn't just here. I have said repeatedly in this thread that this is happening in places (generally in the South) around the country. I even said that I saw the broader motivations of Ms. Becky being beyond just the "concerned citizen busting up corruption" and believe, based on social media, she is probably somewhere in the realm of "my kids aint gonna learn that"
We have bills in at least two states (VA and FL) where there are either HotLines parents can call or a proposal to setup a Stasi that reports only to DeSantis when a school teacher teaches a topic in history that is considered "divisive"? Divisive to whom? GA has said race is is a no no, but homework assignments justifying the Trail of Tears are ok...bizarre.
Yes, if you teach the non whitewashed history of this country, there are going to be as many uncomfortable events to be covered as there are "hooray!!!" events. For every "Tear down this wall!" there is a Tulsa race riot; complete with white dudes flying planes and dropping homemade bombs on their neighbor's businesses and homes. For every "spreading Democracy around the planet" there are something like 72 coups we have backed because we (and our industrialists) wanted the "Free Market Friendly" dictator rather than the Socialist leaning candidate who won the election (Basically most of Central/South America and, the country I grew up in, where the CIA backed Suharto who led a genocide of 2M people, never mind Pinochet or us backing the Shah after he lost because we wanted access to the oil). For every "we saved the world from Fascism", there is our treatment of Native Americans and Reservation schools. For all the theoretical awesomeness of our founding documents, there is the far less than awesome application of them. 3/5ths to the 14th and 15th Amendment to Jim Crow to the Civil Rights Acts which, as we see today, still don't meet the awesomeness of the theory laid down two hundred and forty some odd years ago. Or that all of our drug laws have little to do with public health or religious puritanism and everything to do with racism and xenophobia. When the most decorated Marine in the history of the Corps at the time of his death basically says he was the hired gun for Corporate Greed, not the virtues of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, I take notice. And I think we all should. Self Reflection and Self Awareness are vitally important characteristics; every bit as important as someone's technical talent.
My general position isn't that we are uniquely bad, we aren't. But we should own our history and more importantly, learn from it. You can't learn from it if you won't admit it happened and you can't admit it happened if you won't teach it because it makes people uncomfortable. I am all for patriotism, I have no time for jingoism. There is no such thing as uncritical love in the human experience. We all love our kids, but our kids aren't perfect. Our love endures even when their actions don't meet the mark. I love our country, but that love accepts that there are times when we haven't lived up to our own awesome, dare I say, exceptional, standards.
A quote that I find sums up my position well.
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America is not unique in its sins, as a country. We are not unique in our evils, to be honest with you. I think where we may be singular is a refusal to acknowledge them and the legends and myths we tell about our inherent goodness; to hide and cover and conceal, so that we can maintain a kind of willful ignorance that protects our innocence
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I see a lot of "that's not age-appropriate" and/or "that's the parent's responsibility", particularly around sexuality/gender topics through HS. And I see some "age appropriate" (before HS, maybe MS) regarding topics like slavery.
But I don't see any "don't teach an accurate history", so where is this going on?
I went into depth with the sexual identity stuff with twingles months back, so I won't repeat my points here. Just to say that if people don't think your HS aged kids (and even some in MS) aren't well on their way to discovering who they are in that context, and probably need support on finding their way through arguably the hardest time in the human experience, I feel bad for you and your kids. If a school can "support" them in some way, I have no issues with that. YMMV.
ETA - I wrote an essay on this last November. Happy to send you a link to it over DM if you are interested in reading more on my thoughts, given I can’t honor m378’s thread topic and share them all here
ETA2 - And like that, Haywood Co. NC enters the chat.
I keep seeing this "don't want history taught" all across the land, not just here. But I've never seen someone say "don't teach that part of history".
I see a lot of "that's not age-appropriate" and/or "that's the parent's responsibility", particularly around sexuality/gender topics through HS. And I see some "age appropriate" (before HS, maybe MS) regarding topics like slavery.
But I don't see any "don't teach an accurate history", so where is this going on?
Lefties use "you don't want to talk about slavery" as a straw man because obviously if they can make you come across as a Nazi wanting to ban their books or discussions, then it makes them look less totalitarian themselves.
I don't see people "not wanting history taught" or "not wanting that part of history taught." I see people not wanting kids being taught that the color of their skin makes them inherently racist or responsible for the actions of their ancestors 100-200 years ago. I mean THAT kind of BS about "white privilege" is an agenda, not "teaching history."
It's amazing, because they call out authors or speakers or podcasters to be deplatformed if they don't agree with what they think. Joe Rogan currently, Ben Shapiro and Ann Coulter and Milo at UC Berkely of all places. People thinking that if you don't agree with their view that you shouldnt be allowed to express your view. They've lost their ability to listen or not listen to someone they disagree with, and require safe spaces to avoid being triggered.
That's a far cry from setting age appropriate guidelines on audiences for books. My understanding is some of the school libraries that had "progressive" material were libraries jointly used for high school and MIDDLE school. I have no problem saying you're too young. I have TOTAL problem with YOU CAN'T SAY THAT/think that, write that. How ironic: Those shouting loudest about being "facist" and "Nazis" and "misinformation" are actually the ones wanting books and speech banned like those evil leaders they claim to be protesting against.
Lefties use "you don't want to talk about slavery" as a straw man because obviously if they can make you come across as a Nazi wanting to ban their books or discussions, then it makes them look less totalitarian themselves.
People are saying it because it is true in a disturbingly growing number of cases.
I don't see people "not wanting history taught" or "not wanting that part of history taught." I see people not wanting kids being taught that the color of their skin makes them inherently racist or responsible for the actions of their ancestors 100-200 years ago. I mean THAT kind of BS about "white privilege" is an agenda, not "teaching history."
The straw man has entered the room. CRT (which isn’t a thing in K-12) doesn’t say that. If you are curious about the subject, I’d suggest expanding beyond the likes of Tucker Carlson.
It would be nice if schools actually focused on important things like reading, math and science. Yes, CRT does in fact blame white people and that's painful for many to hear. It's the truth. However, that's not going to change any opinions, and it has nothing to do with educating our kids in reading , math and science. Leave the PC feel good stuff outside of the classroom.
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