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Old 02-03-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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How does someone with no kids even take a survey on how the school system is serving its students? Really the only ones qualified are teachers, parents, and (possibly) students.
I believe this survey was limited to parents of current students - an ID number was required to participate.
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:28 PM
 
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If I have a 3 year old that is not yet in school, you better bet I will want a say on how the school system functions, especially moving into the future.
Well you having a kid by definition makes you a parent...see my post
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:29 PM
 
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I believe this survey was limited to parents of current students - an ID number was required to participate.
OK that makes sense, I was distracted by all this 72% talk.
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Downtown Raleigh
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Yes private schools do it for the money, but because they want that money, they do a GREAT job of educating your child.

I'm not trying to stir the pot, but if you actually believe that public scholls educate every child for the sake of the community then you are dead wrong. The upper management of the school system could care less about the kids. It's all about making a good salary for doing nothing and sucking more money from the county, whether they need it or not. They are not running LEAN in central services. Again public schools do not care about your kids. They care about the perception they're doing a good job and getting the right test scores. They could care less whether or not your child is prepared for the "real world".
I'd be interested in reading what you have to back up this assertion. Please provide us with the evidence you used to reach your conclusion, especially the parts highlighted in red.

And as to your first point about private schools, they do not have to do a great job of educating children. They have to do what their customers want. Often those two are not the same thing.
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:49 PM
 
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Yes private schools do it for the money, but because they want that money, they do a GREAT job of educating your child.

I'm not trying to stir the pot, but if you actually believe that public scholls educate every child for the sake of the community then you are dead wrong. The upper management of the school system could care less about the kids. It's all about making a good salary for doing nothing and sucking more money from the county, whether they need it or not. They are not running LEAN in central services. Again public schools do not care about your kids. They care about the perception they're doing a good job and getting the right test scores. They could care less whether or not your child is prepared for the "real world".
There are a few great private schools and alot of mediocre ones. The one thing they all have in common is they select for a group of students which tend to do very well in school (ie kids of people with enough money to send their kids to private school, with a smattering of lower income but highly motivated parents).
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:54 PM
 
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What would be nice is if you could get a refund of your school taxes if you a) sent your kids to private school or b) didn't have kids but say donated the amount to a charity that helped pay for lower income kids to go to private school.
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Old 02-03-2010, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Because many people that don't have kids pay taxes to run the school system. If I have a 3 year old that is not yet in school, you better bet I will want a say on how the school system functions, especially moving into the future. Even if I didn't have a child, I have the right to voice my opinion on how I want my money spent.
Plus, you could be a teacher in the school, meaning a HIGH interest in the matter, but not have children so not get a vote (or do teachers get to vote, too?) And, then there are those who put their children in private schools because of the old system, who might switch back to public if there were a more satisfactory way (to them) of doing things. Those kids are "potential WCPSS kids" just as 3-4 year olds who aren't in school yet.
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Old 02-03-2010, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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What would be nice is if you could get a refund of your school taxes if you a) sent your kids to private school or b) didn't have kids but say donated the amount to a charity that helped pay for lower income kids to go to private school.
But that would just take even MORE money out of the school system, causing conditions to deteriorate even more, eventually leading to more kids leaving for private school (especially with a reduced financial burden to do so), = even MORE vouchers, and ultimately more and more tax hikes to make up the difference, on the backs of those with kids in the school or those who didn't wish to donate to the "designated charity".
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:36 PM
 
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But that would just take even MORE money out of the school system, causing conditions to deteriorate even more, eventually leading to more kids leaving for private school (especially with a reduced financial burden to do so), = even MORE vouchers, and ultimately more and more tax hikes to make up the difference, on the backs of those with kids in the school or those who didn't wish to donate to the "designated charity".
But doing the opposite (giving more money) doesn't improve scores, at some point you have to realize you're just throwing good money after bad. Something like 50% of all kids don't even graduate these days anyway. I read an article that states are dumbing down exit exams to award diplomas anyway, and some have lowered the "passing" score to just 40% correct.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:39 PM
 
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Plus, you could be a teacher in the school, meaning a HIGH interest in the matter, but not have children so not get a vote (or do teachers get to vote, too?) And, then there are those who put their children in private schools because of the old system, who might switch back to public if there were a more satisfactory way (to them) of doing things. Those kids are "potential WCPSS kids" just as 3-4 year olds who aren't in school yet.
Again all those bullet items are covered in my original post when I stated:

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Really the only ones qualified are teachers, parents, and (possibly) students.
Do I need to define what a teacher or a parent is?
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