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Old 07-23-2011, 12:40 AM
 
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I found a house online and made an offer through the seller's agent, the seller never responded and the offer expired. Within days the seller's contract with the selling agent expired and the house went off of the market. The seller's agent could not give me any information on why the seller did not respond to the offer and took the house off of the market, so I contacted the seller myself. She explained that she was very unhappy with the agent and was going to find a new agent. After talking to her she agreed to sell without an agent but thinks that her contract with the previous agent prevents her from selling to me within 120 days. Is this a common stipulation in a selling agent's contract? Is there any reason I can't rent from her and then purchase the house at the end of the 120 days? Thanks!
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Old 07-23-2011, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Inman Park (Atlanta, GA)
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It is called a Protection Clause. Safety Clause - Protection Clause - What is a Safety Clause

Basically it prevents the Seller from selling the house after "x" number of days specified in the Listing Agreement to someone that was shown the house during the listing period without the Seller owing a selling commission.
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Old 07-23-2011, 12:52 PM
 
Location: El Dorado Hills, CA
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She can sell it to you, but she'll have to pay commission to the prior agent.
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Old 07-24-2011, 05:39 AM
 
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Or you can wait the 120 days. Make sure you read and understand the entire clause.
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Old 07-24-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Talking about shooting yourself in the foot...she chose not to respond to an offer because she didn't like her agent.
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Old 07-24-2011, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Just south of Denver since 1989
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If the seller is saying let's wait 4 months to defraud a real estate agent - what are they willing to do to the buyer?
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Old 07-26-2011, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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If the seller is saying let's wait 4 months to defraud a real estate agent - what are they willing to do to the buyer?
EXACTLY!

The Agent's job is to sell the home by bringing a buyer. Sounds like she accomplished her job. Why shouldn't she be paid?

Vicki
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Old 07-27-2011, 06:28 AM
 
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I found a house online and made an offer through the seller's agent, the seller never responded and the offer expired. Within days the seller's contract with the selling agent expired and the house went off of the market. The seller's agent could not give me any information on why the seller did not respond to the offer and took the house off of the market, so I contacted the seller myself. She explained that she was very unhappy with the agent and was going to find a new agent. After talking to her she agreed to sell without an agent but thinks that her contract with the previous agent prevents her from selling to me within 120 days. Is this a common stipulation in a selling agent's contract? Is there any reason I can't rent from her and then purchase the house at the end of the 120 days? Thanks!
The 120 day stipulation is called "The Gotcha Clause". Translated it means I gotcha seller and I'm going to get money one way or the other from you. It is unfortunate that it is allowed to be legal but most things are not illegal if two parties agree to it.

From your standpoint it is a simple solution. If you really want the house then speak with a lawyer who specializes in real estate. Make sure your state laws do not allow the used home salesperson to come back on you if the home closes and you take possession. Then use the same lawyer to draft your purchase contract and make sure it has specific performance clauses where you can recoup from the seller any money you spend to buy the house in the event the owner backs out at any time for any reason. Then make an offer and let the owner worry about dealing with the used home salesperson and "The Gotcha Claus".

If the used home salesperson wants any money they can make a claim at closing and the owner can pay them then. If they don't do it then, and the state laws don't allow them to touch you, then let the used home salesperson chase after the seller.
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Old 07-27-2011, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The 120 day stipulation is called "The Gotcha Clause". Translated it means I gotcha seller and I'm going to get money one way or the other from you. It is unfortunate that it is allowed to be legal but most things are not illegal if two parties agree to it.

From your standpoint it is a simple solution. If you really want the house then speak with a lawyer who specializes in real estate. Make sure your state laws do not allow the used home salesperson to come back on you if the home closes and you take possession. Then use the same lawyer to draft your purchase contract and make sure it has specific performance clauses where you can recoup from the seller any money you spend to buy the house in the event the owner backs out at any time for any reason. Then make an offer and let the owner worry about dealing with the used home salesperson and "The Gotcha Claus".

If the used home salesperson wants any money they can make a claim at closing and the owner can pay them then. If they don't do it then, and the state laws don't allow them to touch you, then let the used home salesperson chase after the seller.
Seems a bit unfair to the seller to call his home a "used home". I prefer the term "resale" or "existing home"!!!

Vicki
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Or JBiggs, it protects agents from unethical buyers/sellers who agree to a deal on the side to try to cut the agent out. Where do you come up with this junk?
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