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Old 11-06-2017, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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LOL at that.
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Old 11-06-2017, 08:13 AM
 
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Obviously (hopefully), asking for "highest and best" is not the same as an auction. Auctioneers can auction real estate in Michigan without a real estate license, so they don't have anything to complain about.
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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It would be a very severe material misrepresentation for a Listing Agent to claim offers in hand that did not exist.
I agree... but the truth is, we don't know. All I'm saying is with calls for "highest and best", we take it on faith there are other offers and GUESS what a good highest offer should be, hopefully without either underbidding by a fraction or overbidding and throwing money away. It has made more than a few clients suspicious and frustrated. A live auction where everyone knows where they stand would be far better (for the buyer) IMHO.

Last edited by Diana Holbrook; 11-06-2017 at 09:41 AM.. Reason: clarity...
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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I agree... but the truth is, we don't know. All I'm saying is with calls for "highest and best", we take it on faith there are other offers and GUESS what a good highest offer should be, hopefully without either underbidding by a fraction or overbidding and throwing money away. It has made more than a few clients suspicious and frustrated. A live auction where everyone knows where they stand would be far better (for the buyer) IMHO.
I don't think I have been mislead on multiple offer existence for many years.
All I have to do is think of the properties where my buyers don't get the deal, and someone else wraps it up at the same time, and those stories are legion...

Any buyer who wants an auction should go to an auction. It isn't like they don't exist.

It is impossible for a buyer to overbid, unless they over-value. Why would a buyer bid more than what they think a property is worth to them?
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Old 11-06-2017, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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Heh... if only it were so simple Mike.
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Old 11-06-2017, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Perhaps it depends on the disclosure of other offers.

In NC, we have to have the sellers permission to disclose the existence (and while 99.9% of sellers WOULD want it, there's no signature spot or document for this - hello NCREC Forms Committee!!!)

When we disclose, if asked we must also tell them if any come from our brokerage (dual agency).

Now, I would say that if I ask a listing agent "how many" they better be accurate in whatever they represent to me. I've certainly gotten "at least 5" before, so there better be 5 or more. And we're required to keep a copy of all offers we submit or receive ...so if I decide to call BS on your numbers Mr Shady Agent and call your BIC, you better have those copies.

It IS a problem though .... I know for a fact one associated agent lied to my clients who attended an open house at the existence of "multiple offers and more on the way!" When I called the listing agent, it was "we have one, and other have expressed interest."

One thing we SHOULD certainly hit people over the head with more is the importance of ethics and material facts, especially as concerns this situation.
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Old 11-06-2017, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Heh... if only it were so simple Mike.
What is the complication? Agents? That is fixable.
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Old 11-06-2017, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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What is the complication? Agents? That is fixable.
If only value were so easy to determine, and buyers and sellers always arrived at the same number.
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Old 11-06-2017, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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If only value were so easy to determine, and buyers and sellers always arrived at the same number.
Irrelevant, right?

Smart buyers don't pay more than the value they perceive.
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Old 11-06-2017, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Just south of Denver since 1989
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Colorado seller listing contracts say:"When asked, Broker Will Will Not disclose to prospective buyers and cooperating brokers the existence of offers on the Property and whether the offers were obtained by Broker, a broker within Brokerage Firm or by another broker.
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