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Old 02-26-2010, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Mokelumne Hill, CA & El Pescadero, BCS MX.
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We were kicking this one around the office today.

I owe my principal a fiduciary responsibility in a normal sale, but if the seller isn't going to receive any money at close, is there a fiduciary obligation created? Would the fiduciary obligation transfer to to the lender? (we assume not).

What do you folks think?
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Old 02-26-2010, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Salem, OR
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If you represent the seller your fiduciary duty stays with them. The goal with a regular sale is to get your client the best terms possible for market conditions. The goal with a short sale is to find a buyer and close the deal which saves your client's credit a bit. This is to your client's benefit. The fiduciary duty is to help your client, as best you can, achieve the outcome they want.
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Old 02-26-2010, 03:51 PM
 
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I completely agree with Silverfall -- you are never working "for the lender" as much of the time the lender may be "with you or against you". The "FMV" remains what the deal will CLOSE at, not the amount owed, or the amount the lender was hoping for.

The DATA you present to support any offer from potential buyers is going to support the offer with comps and adjustments, not whatever the lender may be on the hook for...
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Mokelumne Hill, CA & El Pescadero, BCS MX.
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Thanks SF for that bit about their credit. I know that it wouldn't change the way I approach a seller in a short sale, I guess we all just missed the credit aspect in our "hot stove league" discussion. It's still an interesting concept, I wonder when the first case law will make it to an appeals court. (if it hasn't already)
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:32 PM
 
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I'd recommend the "save their credit" is left with up to a competent attorney reviewing the mountain of paperwork the lenders produce...
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Old 02-26-2010, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Just south of Denver since 1989
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It does not matter whether there are proceeds to be had or not. Getting the best price and to the closing table with the least amount of hassles is still the goal.

Market conditions make the property a short sale. The seller is still a person who needs our guidance.

A short sale seller needs recommendations to a bk, real estate attorney, and a cpa - or other tax professional.
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Old 02-26-2010, 09:55 PM
 
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Your fiduciary is still to your seller. Now, in a short sale, the seller's best interest is to get the house sold. If it's for $1, it's for $1. Usually in short sales, I'll work with the buyer's agent to get their contract through. The seller just needs to get out of the house. Your fiduciary is to the seller, but sometimes that means helping the purchasing party as much as possible.
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